So you "call him out" and claim he is a "hypocrite" and is "disingenuous", but its not your site to say. Really Rope?
3D printed gear hooks
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seems like you can go ahead and stop, as your not helping anything @RopeShield
RopeShield
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Precisely. Sorry man.
But its not your place to say, right?
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Great question. I'd like to hear it.
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Pretty sure the track record here speaks for itself. I know Shem personally and can't help but think that if I were him, I wouldn't like people duplicating my intentions and selling them. That's all. Doesn't mean I will or could stop them. This isn't directed at you Rico, just replying is all.
Mark, I'm not duplicating the shembiner, if I put a gate on it, you would say I'm duplicating a carritool, or transporter, A hook is a hook, Doesn't matter who designed or made it, mine looks similar, but it is NOT the same, and is NOT a copy of the famous shembiner, mine is a totally different material, size, and shape, feel free to have Shem get in contact with me, so we can see if im copying him
my Email is: ZinanRiot@yahoo.com
my Email is: ZinanRiot@yahoo.com
metaspencer
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Well said man.
Maybe ask CMI Corporation. Maybe before their attorneys contact you, lol.
already done, waiting on a reply
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FYI
Mark and I had an offline chat about this. Our conclusion was to ask for a minor respectful course correction. This isn't meant to be a big hammer coming down on creativity. It looks like there was a course correction.
During our chat I shared a story...seems a good fit here too.
When I was taught to climb Marv had a chainsaw hook on his saddle. It was made from 5/16" steel rod bent and attached in a similar way as the slipon hooks. The hook was about 6" deep or so. Marv had been using this setup for years when he taught me to climb...in the early '70's. I used the hook for about a decade and decided to incorporate a gate/snap in mine. I used a ladder hook and welded up a belt loop to attach it to my waist belt. this was about 1980. It worked just fine, never dropped a saw and I could get the saw out and click open the gate with one hand. I made up the same snap hook for climbers who worked for me too.
Creativity isn't just expressed with new tools. Be creative with words too. As Socrates and Shigo would say: Define your terms and we'll have a short discussion.
Mark and I had an offline chat about this. Our conclusion was to ask for a minor respectful course correction. This isn't meant to be a big hammer coming down on creativity. It looks like there was a course correction.
During our chat I shared a story...seems a good fit here too.
When I was taught to climb Marv had a chainsaw hook on his saddle. It was made from 5/16" steel rod bent and attached in a similar way as the slipon hooks. The hook was about 6" deep or so. Marv had been using this setup for years when he taught me to climb...in the early '70's. I used the hook for about a decade and decided to incorporate a gate/snap in mine. I used a ladder hook and welded up a belt loop to attach it to my waist belt. this was about 1980. It worked just fine, never dropped a saw and I could get the saw out and click open the gate with one hand. I made up the same snap hook for climbers who worked for me too.
Creativity isn't just expressed with new tools. Be creative with words too. As Socrates and Shigo would say: Define your terms and we'll have a short discussion.
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Sure....go for it
Do you have an attorney you can ask without being billed $500?
My understanding is that as long as you are selling them with the belief that you design is unique and doesn't infringe on any patents, you are selling them in good faith. If you get a cease and desist letter from CMI and continue selling them after that arrives, you are subjecting yourself to costly legal action.
Maybe @Richard Mumford-yoyoman can share a little more on that based on his experience. My understanding is that there is a non-disclosure agreement so he may be very limited on what he can share. But just in general (not specific to the SAKA mini max): if you research a design and believe your design is unique enough to not infringe on their intellectual property are you "safe" before being told "no"???
I think your design looks completely different...but by no means should you ever trust legal advice from an arborist on the internet!
My understanding is that as long as you are selling them with the belief that you design is unique and doesn't infringe on any patents, you are selling them in good faith. If you get a cease and desist letter from CMI and continue selling them after that arrives, you are subjecting yourself to costly legal action.
Maybe @Richard Mumford-yoyoman can share a little more on that based on his experience. My understanding is that there is a non-disclosure agreement so he may be very limited on what he can share. But just in general (not specific to the SAKA mini max): if you research a design and believe your design is unique enough to not infringe on their intellectual property are you "safe" before being told "no"???
I think your design looks completely different...but by no means should you ever trust legal advice from an arborist on the internet!
There is already enough plagiarism and outright stealing going on in this industry and I don't think we should be encouraging it here.
climbingmonkey24
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I agree with this. Before you keep going forward, get your ducks in a row. Do your research, wait to hear back from CMI if you haven't heard from them already, maybe consult an attorney if possible, etc. If you are considering starting an actual legitimate business, there's other things you will need to take care of as well.
Better to wait to get all the information and facts versus "hoping" that everything will be okay and then running into issues down the road.
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