Yaw, Pitch & Roll

Speaking of headsets, what was the brand name of those ones that someone was talking about earlier? We've been using Earmarks and we've 'marked' them off the list since they buzz and chatter constantly, and have malfunctions about every 4-5 months from the day you buy them,,,at least in our personal experience.

Love to see if that other brand (I think it has Mr. Happ that was mentioning them...) was any better,
 
Quality headsets are awesome for crane opperations when you need to communicate with the opporator. Don't even try to discuss the topic unless you have tried them.

now, this is in the yaw, pitch and roll thread, which i hate the title because I do not really know what those things mean, nor does most people.

we can use common language with the headsets and understand each other, the end, period.

Go sail a boat if you want to talk that other crap.
 
Tierson,
we use Eartec now, our pile of Earmark headsets are just an expensive dust trap on the work bench now.
that's all I dare say for fear of being scolded for going off topic again..
we talked about them a lot in a recent thread on crane use here.
xman already covered my thoughts on this yawn thread
 
been on heavy-duty storm clean up with 3 cranes going 12-14 hrs. per day for the last 14 days. working with 9 different tree co. and 12 different climbers. no mention of YPR , mostly hand signals (universal), discussion between ops and climbers, some radio use. all is going OK. don't want to confuse YPR with KFC .
 
your right, daybreak now is 0630 hrs.,time includes travel to jobsite, cranes have been coming back in the dark every night. several nights at first, we were working for utilities, they brought in the roman candles to light up the areas around damaged substations. not like daylight but we got it done. nice to hear from you. regards, tom.
 
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your right, daybreak now is 0630 hrs.,time includes travel to jobsite, cranes have been coming back in the dark every night. several nights at first, we were working for utilities, they brought in the roman candles to light up the areas around damaged substations. not like daylight but we got it done. nice to hear from you. regards, tom.

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Regards to you too Tom. Be safe. Fatigue is the biggest cause of accidents imo.
Dave

PS...Can't imagine saying the word "yaw" in regards to anything. Other 2 words may be recognizable to someone else.

Off to work.
 
For those who aren't taking the time to fully read what my comments are saying, I can see how you may not understand what I'm saying...

Re-read what I've said. If you don't want to do that, read some of these links. Do some brief reading there.

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Go a head an laugh. But, there are a lot of physics involved with keeping each load still. And if we monkey men don't know that there are terms out there, derived from physics, then we are kidding ourselves thinking we know it all.
 
What is this load going to do?

What is this load missing?

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you can know and understand all the terms out there, but knowing the terms does not make a good rigger/climber. actually doing it, and seeing how items react to your pick points, shows you what you did right or wrong. tree limbs are comprised of material that has differing density, and differing section modulus in a given length of material,due to many variables. physics relies on accurate calculations based on finite features based on known densities and calculated dimensions to derive weight, balance, and c/g. we in the tree world unfortunately do not have this luxury. we have to rely on estimates that we make based on experience good rigging practices, and a very healthy dose of safety factor to allow for a margin of error. no pick moves exactly as you precisely think it will but we try to get it close. this might require an extra sling or spider leg or tag line, but lets remember we are moving branches, not priceless works of art, some movement is going to happen. if your not sure, err on the side of caution, take a smaller piece.
 
Ya know what is really funny about this thread is none of you period have ever picked anything really heavy and I am not talking about 30 tons either , I mean 100 tons plus , all this yaw and pitch and roll kinda make me giggle a bit , to me its like a bunch of children arguing in the sandbox about how many rocks your Tonka can carry , so thanks for the laugh fellows Try taking 40K 300FT+ AND THEN YOU'LL LEARN ABOUT CRANE WORK .. The cranes that are used in tree work are the cranes that come and pick the parts to put the real crane together .... I guess its all kinda relative to the work ...
 
Eddie, I have to ask why do you constantly bring up your "large crane" construction experience? It has nothing to do with tree work. I have worked in the construction industry as a crane opp. I found it mindnumbingly tedious. Mega lifts take preparation that can take days, weeks or months but the actual lift is pretty simple, very slow and deliberate. Wow fatfingers you were part of lifts that took 100 ton cranes just to puts the shackles in place...in lifts like that more credit goes to the engineers that planned it then the one that pulled the lever. In tree work we have a whole different set of challenges, I am not saying the riggers job was easy, just that there is no comparison and imp tree work is much more challenging for the opp
 
Obviously by your response i didn't make sense with my post , its not what I meant , its all relative to work that we do , with that being said what would yaw have to do with a pic once its hung its hung and how its renders is how it lands , and in all the time that I have crane worked whether it be a tree or anything else I have never had a yaw or pitch conversation with anyone OP or anyone period , and I would agree for you as an OP that construction may be a bit boring but as the person on the end of the crane its anything but ... But maybe I should have just said that ... just saying ....
 
IMO a tree crane work is a monkeys job and honestly you can take any second rate climber and he will be a superstar with a crane and that evident alot in tree work , but its my opinion with that being said once its up it has to be hung or is that a joke as well ? Lets take a 8k top 140 ft woopty doo ... I have done both and not many have worked both ends of crane work and really its cake work really it is , I will take any tree with a crane any day of the week compared to what I did before but that is just me ..
 
i have worked both ends of a crane work for 8+ years . i take pride in crane work . when u pick 8k threw the primarys thats what takes skill on both ends of the crane.
 
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Ya know what is really funny about this thread is none of you period have ever picked anything really heavy and I am not talking about 30 tons either , I mean 100 tons plus , all this yaw and pitch and roll kinda make me giggle a bit , to me its like a bunch of children arguing in the sandbox about how many rocks your Tonka can carry , so thanks for the laugh fellows Try taking 40K 300FT+ AND THEN YOU'LL LEARN ABOUT CRANE WORK .. The cranes that are used in tree work are the cranes that come and pick the parts to put the real crane together .... I guess its all kinda relative to the work ...

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40k at 300 feet? Id like to see that!
 
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