Kevin, I've never experienced it. Not too many sappy trees here, the sticky ones here are white pine and spruce. I would suspect that sap would not matter much when involving rigging weights. What I mean is, sap is a problem with climbing friction devices with human weight, but I doubt when using two holes for light limbs and 3 holes for medium trunk logs that sap would be a problem. But, that is an educated guess or speculation, the real working world tests things. That's why I try to use tool for around a year, even though I'm so excited about sharing it, I make myself have discipline and keep using it ourselves for a long time.
X-rigging rings
- Thread starter treebing
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Hey all. It's hard to just keep up with all the emails I get. And after a while, I notice that I'm answering the same questions over and over.
So, I just came up with a partial solution. copy and paste the question here and also copy and paste the answer here (as well as respond to the person via email)
Question:
Hey, totally understand if you dont have the time to answer this, but I'm new to all this and wondering why I haven't come across anyone using the x-rings in friction savers for climbing lines to keep an ideal bend radius? Of course, there is a wide bend radius when the rings are held far apart in some scenarios like spar positioning, but I'd think they'd be pulled together in most situations. I suppose it comes down to the fact that climbers are never planning on shock loading their climbing lines like a rigging line. Thanks for your input, have a good week,
My reply:
I warn against it for a rare reason. What if someone had some X-Rigging Rings and loosely spliced or loosely tied them to their friction saver sling?
Then, when the climbing line was slacked and bounced around, a ring popped out of the splice. yeah, the ring would likely run down the rope to the climber and warn them, but maybe it could also get stopped by a limb on the way. Okay, so now the climbing rope is on a rope sling eye and the climber repels. That is rope on rope contact and the climbing line would likely burn through the rope eye. I don't want any product we sell be a part of a death if I can help it. I saw the potential for the hypothetical situation and therefor stated that they should only be used for rigging.
So, I just came up with a partial solution. copy and paste the question here and also copy and paste the answer here (as well as respond to the person via email)
Question:
Hey, totally understand if you dont have the time to answer this, but I'm new to all this and wondering why I haven't come across anyone using the x-rings in friction savers for climbing lines to keep an ideal bend radius? Of course, there is a wide bend radius when the rings are held far apart in some scenarios like spar positioning, but I'd think they'd be pulled together in most situations. I suppose it comes down to the fact that climbers are never planning on shock loading their climbing lines like a rigging line. Thanks for your input, have a good week,
My reply:
I warn against it for a rare reason. What if someone had some X-Rigging Rings and loosely spliced or loosely tied them to their friction saver sling?
Then, when the climbing line was slacked and bounced around, a ring popped out of the splice. yeah, the ring would likely run down the rope to the climber and warn them, but maybe it could also get stopped by a limb on the way. Okay, so now the climbing rope is on a rope sling eye and the climber repels. That is rope on rope contact and the climbing line would likely burn through the rope eye. I don't want any product we sell be a part of a death if I can help it. I saw the potential for the hypothetical situation and therefor stated that they should only be used for rigging.
RajElectric
Participating member
- Location
- Brantford, Ontario
Question: My girlfriend wants me to "pop the question" but I don't think she's "the one", will X-rings help me out?
Sorry, I just had to say that.
Sorry, I just had to say that.
Stihlmadd
Been here a while
- Location
- Adelaide South Australia
X-man true to his word comes through and delivers the goods.
JeffGu
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Osceola, Nebraska
Very nice!
Treetopflyer
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Coastal N.J
Now you can terrorize trees XRR style!
Stihlmadd
Been here a while
- Location
- Adelaide South Australia
Have a big and bad one lined up for monday - sugar gum already failed one main leader another is separating at the top of the BCR with a previously healed crack now re-seperated wide enough that you can stick the tip of your thumb in , the bee hive I climbed up to and poisoned yesterday is in the first main union, trunk is 4.1 mrs around there is a major defect visible in the trunk at about 10 mrs with two galah nests inside there ( will be ratcheting this section up) and next to major voltage primary and secondary wires oh and full of termite looking at the base of the failed limb. about 25 mts high no real room for bucket or crane due to other targets mostly big wood and very heavy fluff ends being rigged back onto themselves.
should be fun.
at least it is a front yard job and the company has two days on it so sounds doable.
should be fun.
at least it is a front yard job and the company has two days on it so sounds doable.
JeffGu
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Osceola, Nebraska
Oh, yeah. Gobs of fun.
Stihlmadd
Been here a while
- Location
- Adelaide South Australia
swapsies?
JeffGu
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Osceola, Nebraska
Just take some video in case some other, unexpected wildlife/critter comes flying out of the damn thing and lands on your helmet.
Big, crazy jobs like that are much more fun to watch from a lawnchair, with a beer and a bag of pretzels. And, I never get tired of listening to an Aussie cuss at all those lethal critters you guys have hiding under every bush. Cracks me up every time.
Big, crazy jobs like that are much more fun to watch from a lawnchair, with a beer and a bag of pretzels. And, I never get tired of listening to an Aussie cuss at all those lethal critters you guys have hiding under every bush. Cracks me up every time.
Stihlmadd
Been here a while
- Location
- Adelaide South Australia
JeffGu
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Osceola, Nebraska
ROFL... yes, the vegemite and that platypus. Nothing with fur should have a bill or be laying eggs.
Steve Connally
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Suffolk, Virginia
Treestuff is making me a beast whoopee. Idea taken from the old fart! I can't wait to use it. Seems like super versatile and since my ring and ring is nicked I don't have to purchase any more rings. The only draw back with the beast whoopee seems to be a ton of gear to drag around the crown for small to medium pruning jobs. Also getting a single ring short sling from David. I can use the left over rings with an alpine butterfly to make a ring and ring. Can't wait to play around with it a bit.
- Location
- reedsville
I need to get my hands on these x rings! brilliant idea thank you x man!
sherwood7
Participating member
- Location
- Denver, co
Like the tht video, looks pretty slick. Article was also good. I'm thinking you need to get acdc to redo T.N.T for your next video...
T.H.T (oi, oi, oi) I'm rigging right.... Sorry feeling goofy today
T.H.T (oi, oi, oi) I'm rigging right.... Sorry feeling goofy today
oldfart
Participating member
- Location
- Asheville, NC
Reg,
I really enjoyed your “X ring review” video and I think it is hugely important. With your permission, sir, I’m reposting it here.
I’ve been interested in these rings since Day1. But I’ve always thought “stronger lighter cheaper”. The important message of your video is that the rings can make a rigging operation more predictable and the crew safer. I think this is unbelievably important. You can train a groundie faster and prevent accidents BECAUSE HE IS PRESENTED WITH A LESS VARIABLE RANGE OF CONDITIONS on the working end of the lowering line.
His task on the Porty will still take skill and experience, for sure. But a “smaller strike zone” would make a .200 hitter into a .400 hitter pretty fast.
I’ll bet this effect could be measured. Maybe one of you guys working with the rings could set this up. I can’t do it. Get two drop pieces, one really big and one small. Drop them three (3) times: 1)on a block, 2) on a pair of Beasts and 3) on David’s new THT. Put one of those RE Enforcers in the line to the groundie. I’d bet a major body part that you’d see a huge difference in the force vs. time graphs. Those graphs will measure how “variable” the rig feels to the groundie. It wouldn’t surprise me if the THT took out over half of the uncertainty that he has to deal with.
David, if it turns out that the THT delivers greatly more predictability to the groundie, that would be HUGE. If you decide to commercialize the device, I’d actually rename it to reflect the safety issue. I’d call it the “Safety Stack” or somesuch. I’m not trying to tell you your business, my man, but since I named the Beast (by accident), I’m taking some creative license here … !
Picture this scenario …
Walk into a supply shop, stand in front of two displays: trad blocks here and X-Rings there. Now someone says:
“Yep, those rings are stronger, cheaper and lighter. But they’re new and Arbs have been using the pulley blocks for years.”
__OR__
“The new Safety Stack was invented by an Arborist to keep his crew safer. It prevents accidental surprises and lets him train new groundsmen faster.”
Hmmmm ….?
I really enjoyed your “X ring review” video and I think it is hugely important. With your permission, sir, I’m reposting it here.
I’ve been interested in these rings since Day1. But I’ve always thought “stronger lighter cheaper”. The important message of your video is that the rings can make a rigging operation more predictable and the crew safer. I think this is unbelievably important. You can train a groundie faster and prevent accidents BECAUSE HE IS PRESENTED WITH A LESS VARIABLE RANGE OF CONDITIONS on the working end of the lowering line.
His task on the Porty will still take skill and experience, for sure. But a “smaller strike zone” would make a .200 hitter into a .400 hitter pretty fast.
I’ll bet this effect could be measured. Maybe one of you guys working with the rings could set this up. I can’t do it. Get two drop pieces, one really big and one small. Drop them three (3) times: 1)on a block, 2) on a pair of Beasts and 3) on David’s new THT. Put one of those RE Enforcers in the line to the groundie. I’d bet a major body part that you’d see a huge difference in the force vs. time graphs. Those graphs will measure how “variable” the rig feels to the groundie. It wouldn’t surprise me if the THT took out over half of the uncertainty that he has to deal with.
David, if it turns out that the THT delivers greatly more predictability to the groundie, that would be HUGE. If you decide to commercialize the device, I’d actually rename it to reflect the safety issue. I’d call it the “Safety Stack” or somesuch. I’m not trying to tell you your business, my man, but since I named the Beast (by accident), I’m taking some creative license here … !
Picture this scenario …
Walk into a supply shop, stand in front of two displays: trad blocks here and X-Rings there. Now someone says:
“Yep, those rings are stronger, cheaper and lighter. But they’re new and Arbs have been using the pulley blocks for years.”
__OR__
“The new Safety Stack was invented by an Arborist to keep his crew safer. It prevents accidental surprises and lets him train new groundsmen faster.”
Hmmmm ….?
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Steve Connally
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Suffolk, Virginia
Beast rigging whoopie set up spliced but the guys at Treestuff. Can't wait to give it a run.
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Steve Connally
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Suffolk, Virginia
Levi. Did you splice your own double ring loopies
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