X-rigging rings

TREECO, Dan, right?

There is a chance I could be wrong. We use to converse and get along I thought, even talked on the phone one time maybe 3 or 4 years ago. Then all of a sudden you made some obvious comments that you no longer approved of my treebuzz character. I wrote an e-mail asking and wondering what was up, never heard back and tried other communication as well.

Anyway, very sorry, if I got things wrong and if you really have no problem with my character on the buzz.

Back to business then.

Those rings for a chipper redirect are inferior to a block and sling.

No need for any friction when winching, not like in a tree for rigging. Some friction in tree rigging can be a good benefit.

I also found that when using 2 or 3 rings, if the rings are not touching each other there is more friction added. There is significantly more friction when they are seperated far like in his picture, especially if they rub the trunk.

I personally don't think two rings that don't choke the tree work well in that situation. A single ring choked is great for a chipper line redirect.

Nick, there is nothing wrong with you posting it, as it creates conversation and learning. You are exploring and figuring out what might work.

If you had a block and sling in one hand and a ring with sling in the other hand; which one is "better" for a chipper winch line? the block and sling for sure.

Now, XRR sling is cheaper and lighter than a comparable sling with block working load.

I've never devoted a block and sling to the chipper toolbox, but since the XRR slings came out, I keep a nasty dirty XRR sling in the chipper tool box for redirects. I'd not want to do that with a nice block.
 
Cheap choking chipper redirect using an XRR sling.

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Better than a block and sling? Depends on what you consider "better" is.

Block and sling = no friction to speak of = nicer on the rope and you can pull more with the winch.

XRR sling = cheaper and lighter. Might cause an opperator to leave one with the chipper = more apt to use it. Not hard on the rope with redirects, but some friction.
 

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by the way, I notice that the orange sling has written on it, severe shock load testing, written in black on it. We were trying to break it in drop testing and it wouldn't break.

That's why the eye has a little more looseness than it normally would have.

It was used just to show a light log being winched in my video for the expo, not a real work job and that sling was never used at work and was destroyed.
 

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In a redirect situation where the block could wind up taking a serious beating, I would prefer to use a cheaper "sacrifical" alternative, (to minimize the weeping afterwards). Up to now that has been a shackle or steel biner, with more undesirable friction. A couple of rings will justify their existence, and that X ring lanyard / prussic combo looks like just the ticket.
 
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TREECO, Dan, right?

There is a chance I could be wrong. We use to converse and get along I thought, even talked on the phone one time maybe 3 or 4 years ago. Then all of a sudden you made some obvious comments that you no longer approved of my treebuzz character. I wrote an e-mail asking and wondering what was up, never heard back and tried other communication as well.

<font color="red">Yes my name is Dan but we have never talked on the phone or exchanged emails or attempted to talk on the phone or exchange emails. Stop with the distraction from the subject, please. </font>
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Cheap choking chipper redirect using an XRR sling.

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Better than a block and sling? Depends on what you consider "better" is.

Block and sling = no friction to speak of = nicer on the rope and you can pull more with the winch.



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Notice how the eye is somewhat open in your photograph. Is that opening likely to get larger or smaller over time? I believe larger which is why for climbing at least....a rope on rope situation may occur and be a concern. An enlarged eye on a block makes little or no difference.
 
I don't think I've read anything about using a knot instead of a splice for the rings. Wondering if that could be addressed, as eye enlargement wouldn't occur.
 
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Did you read X mans posts? There is a reason that eye is enlarged and the rings aren't for climbing! I seriously doubt that ring could be forced out of that eye any way.

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No, not all of his posts but I did read where that eye was enlarged by drop testing. What is to keep the eye from enlarging from normal use over hundreds or thousands of cycles?

Not forced out but maybe fall out after the eye is enlarged enough. Good to see they aren't for life support, I'd be leary when I couldn't see them.
 
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In a redirect situation where the block could wind up taking a serious beating, I would prefer to use a cheaper "sacrifical" alternative, (to minimize the weeping afterwards). Up to now that has been a shackle or steel biner, with more undesirable friction. A couple of rings will justify their existence, and that X ring lanyard / prussic combo looks like just the ticket.

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Good point.

That's why the XRR's are so great for vertical speedlines and also a redirect at the bottom of the tree for a vertical speedline to go to a lowering device.

they can get banged around and slapped into and it's no big deal.

Also, no gate or weak point with a ring.
 
These might work out well for crane work. Shackles are nice, but I'd rather see a ring swinging from the hook.

Swing, that is one nice XRing setup! Sweet pics!
 
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No, not all of his posts but I did read where that eye was enlarged by drop testing. What is to keep the eye from enlarging from normal use over hundreds or thousands of cycles?

Not forced out but maybe fall out after the eye is enlarged enough. Good to see they aren't for life support, I'd be leary when I couldn't see them.

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The eye is not going to enlarge without tons of hours of use or abuse, likely many years of use. I used our prototype slings and rings for almost a year before I decided that time told that they were truely awesome. It was killing me not to talk about them during that time.

Everything wears out at some point. The caution statement that is sold with the XRR slings and the individual rings states: *Inspect your XRR and splice before every use. If the splice is loose enough for the ring to possibly come out, do not use.

Just like all of our gear, inspect and retire if no longer in safe working order.

Glad to see your glad they aren't used for life support. Wheww. Your point is the same one I had, what if... So that's why I said not for life support, just because of the "what if" thought.

BTW, a XRR Sling customer read this thread and sent me a picture, he labeled it as: This is what happens when a ring pops out. Pic attached.
 

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BTW, a XRR Sling customer read this thread and sent me a picture, he labeled it as: This is what happens when a ring pops out. Pic attached.

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Well I really don't want to know what force was applied that caused that ring to pop!
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These might work out well for crane work. Shackles are nice, but I'd rather see a ring swinging from the hook.

Swing, that is one nice XRing setup! Sweet pics!

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How would you be using it in crane work?
 
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These might work out well for crane work. Shackles are nice, but I'd rather see a ring swinging from the hook.


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The rings don't have a large enough hole to fit on a crane hook.
Shackles are "the bomb" for crane work, if used correctly.
 
I was thinking if you take the large spliced loop off the hook, lasso the limb, bring the splice through the hole of the X-Ring, then hook it on the hook.

Sometimes I get nervous when I take apart the shackle working right over the crane operator's cab. Some shackles are so big and heavy.

I can think of a few other advantages but cant put them into words right now. I'm much, much to busy... just like you XMAN.
 
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Honestly I think a normal eye sling, hanging on the hook tied with a cow hitch would be better than all that.

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An Eye &amp; Eye sling can even be better than that at times
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I dont see the application for crane work, yet. I think it would take too much time to pass the eye through the ring.
 
My vision is of a big, oversized ring... X, you can call it the BiX-RING if you want...

Bonner, some crane operators say "No knots" - what say you? Eh?

FlyingSqurirrel, eye and eye is a nice option, it may wear more quickly than going through a XRR? At least on heavy picks I would think.
 
Some crane ops say no riding the ball... I dont know, I think its up to whoever runs/owns the crane I guess.

I guess a cow hitch has more of an operator error chance than a closed shackle but you cant drop it and you would never have to take anything on or off the hook.
 
"your vision" for a really large XRR huh?

Bix and I discussed this the other day and I said it's a great idea of HIS to use a sling like this, but there is two problems with the current size XRR slings available.
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1. The spliced eye with chafe sleeve is much too difficult to get, if not impossible, to get through the current large 28x20 ring.

2. Next, the SWL on the current slings are not good for crane pick weights. I'm used to 1,500 Lb to 6,000 Lb picks most of the time on large limbs and leaders. Sometimes 10,000 on trunk picks.

SWL on choked XRR sling with 3/4" tenex tec is 1,700 Lbs. Although I know we are very conservative, that's what it is.

Now, if there was just another XRR ring size made bigger....

Bixler, you are a punk by the way.

Anyway, if there was a huge XRR ring and we wanted a nice crane sling made, we could take amsteel blue in this case, since there is absolutely no worry with any heat in a crane sling. Go with 3/4" or 7/8" amsteel; which ever will pass through the ring hole as a splice eye, and we have big numbers even in choke form.

choking a crane sling with an X-Rigging Ring would be sweet I think.

I've seen plenty of strap type crane slings, stick/melt together just a tad on heavy picks when it's just the sling through the sling eye.

I would love the cover of amsteel II, but the strength numbers are bumped down too much I think.
 

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