Wow......Arborist Ethics in the UK!

[pancake]

Temptation is a terrible thing, especially when you or even worse your family is hungry. It is very difficulty to resist, and have the confidence that things will work out if you stick to your morals and beliefs. Good ethics and good business go hand in hand. Your clients will not hestiaie to use your services at your price if you have a professional reputation with no blemishes. Branding and how you market your company are the items that can really help you break through the glass ceiling. If you present well and deliver a quality service the rest usually falls into place. People will inherently be proud of way they "stuck to their guns" and did had the real pro's do it right. And in turn their neighbors will want te same service. There have been studies in California that have shown how education over time reduced the number of companies offering topping as a service dramatically. A lot of people scoff at "trying to change the market". Dedicated, ethical professionals with a vision of arboriculture can do just that and in turn increase everyone's wage. There will always be bumps in the road. It is impossible to plan for all contigencies and issues that slow our forward progress, however the sign of a sucessful business is how quickly they can adjust and overcome them. Good luck and stay safe friends.

 

[Lazarus2]

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Hey Laz2, are you the only person out of the 60 million in the UK pruning trees properly?

You must be inundated with work!

Why dont you hire Mr Ed(Thor's Hammer)...........

You'd make a great team....the saviours of the urban UK tree stock.

Good luck with it.

Hope its not raining too heavy!

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Still 'Assuming' I see.

 

[Lazarus2]

I'll second that post Pancake.

 

[tnttree]

nicely stated pancake

 

[Sparko]

I've been doing an arb course for 6 months now and read a few books, learned a bit of stuff and it seems to me there's a right way and a wrong way to do things. Shigo said "Touch trees" that's what we should be doing... education's the way forward - the planet's in enough of a mess without contributing to it.

 

[jamie]

Cant mind if i posted the first time i saw this thread. Im pretty sure that not all UK Treeworkers (i'm including forestry as well as arb) are hacks who top.

Stating the views as those by the whole UK industry is like saying every American is a dumbass redneck. Im sure a lot of Americans (and Australians, New Zealanders, French, Germans........) are but i wouldn't tarnish an entire community with one statement.

The company i work for are reknowned for hideously complicated removals where heavy gear and horsepower prevail. We might not use the latest ropes (i'm trying to change that) we might still rope out removals on natural crotches and 3 strand but last time i checked that doesnt make us Hacks. We always inform clients / customers on the best tree care.

As for the local authorities. They only have limited budgets. I heard a sory of a LA guy from housing complaining about 10k being spent on Christmas lights when he was having to ply up broken windows due to a lack of cash.

dont paint us all with the same brush.
Jamie

 

[TreeCo]

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Temptation is a terrible thing, especially when you or even worse your family is hungry. It is very difficulty to resist, and have the confidence that things will work out if you stick to your morals and beliefs. Good ethics and good business go hand in hand.

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Great points Pancake.

The attached photo is from a U.K. website under "Tree Surgery". It would be good if this photo was presented as a 'bad example' of tree prunning instead of being used to sell this kind of work.

 

[Matt_Harmsworth]

That is from MY website and it's a take down you TWAT If you took the time to look through the pics properly that is evident. Before i'm jumped on for my aggressive tone how would you feel it if your work was taken out of context ?

That willow had a huge cavatiy in the base and a concrete post in the garden side of the tree. I'd stripped that side clean first so we could swing all the limbs round that are over the shed and green house next door.

 

[stevebullman]

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you TWAT

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it just shows the level of ignorance matt, the second i looked at that pic my first thought was that it was mid take-down.
its too bad people pay this fool any heed

 

[Matt_Harmsworth]

Oh and seeing as you liked my website Dan go back to the homepage, click the link to checkatrade, search for tree surgeons in guildford and read what my clients think of our work. If your feeling brave prehaps you could do the same ?

 

[Reg]

You've posted a picture which appears to show a live tree that has had several branches removed without explanation or other text. You've labelled it 'what not to do to trees' or something. Do you know why the brances were removed ie line clearance, litigation, dead dying diseased ? Who's site was the picture on ? Any other pruning or felling examples on there ?

Please elaborate, as a picture without explanation doesn't amount to much. In fact just give us the link so we can all see for ourselves. Thanks

 

[stevebullman]

contract, didnt u read matts post above? it was taken from his website and its midway through being taken down.

 

[Janner]

My employer is all about profit. My managing director doesn't really care about the trees, he wants to see £ signs. If im told to top the tree i'll top it, if he wants me to to reduce and thin it, i'm more than happy to do it. As a second climber i'm a chimp, the boss points and i climb.

But when i work for myself on jobs, i never advise topping. I do the save the tree thing, Arborist bit. When its my name on the job i like to think i'm a proffesional and recommend the best industry practices for the tree. However when im at work for my boss i hack, slash, lop and top, he pays the wages so what he says goes. Simple as.

Talks cheap, money buys the beer!

 

[Matt_Harmsworth]

Which ok admittedly doesn't appear to have the clickable link they all once had grrr techies ! Still Dan could have at least put a link up or some text.

This was just an attempt to antagonize me and it's worked.

 

[Matt_Harmsworth]

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you TWAT

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it just shows the level of ignorance matt, the second i looked at that pic my first thought was that it was mid take-down.
its too bad people pay this fool any heed

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You would think somebody with Dan's supposed level of expertise would have realised that as well ?

 

[Janner]

Matt, we know your not a hack and you know your stuff about trees and ultimately care about them. So like MB said, RAM this thread and if some muppet is up his arse about topping let him crack on.
Hopefully he'll come visit the UK one day and view some of our work. And if he still doesn't like it, i'm sure he'll find an obliging climber in the area who will put his teeth through the back of his head.

 

[wildchild]

theres alot of hack here in indiana its not funny

here in indiana you can start out working on trees as soon as you learn the knots thats its that dam crazy


my boss keeps trying to hire young punk kids that think they know what they are doing and skew everything up

just so he does not have to pay for me to climbin

 

[Reg]

Sorry Steve, no it wasn't there when I posted. I thought I was immediately after treeco.

Not sure I understand what the true incentive was behind this thread but then I dont really no the people behind it, has an unpleasant feel about it though! Honest Investigative journalism ? Not how I'm reading it. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[stevebullman]

no probs contract...and you dont need correcting...this thread was started with the sole purpose to provoke...pretty obvious to all i feel!

 

[RogerM]

I have benefitted from 99.9% of all posts from the UK. seriously. I'll go out tomorrow with my camera and most likely be able to snap a shot of the "ethics" I see every day. Let's see what happens. The sad part is, that I won't even have to go out of my way. There's usually more to the story than the picture.