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I like it Ekka, I like it man, The Pommy Bastards took it on the chin!
Wow......Arborist Ethics in the UK!
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TreeCo
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axe knot, treeco will get his due reward soon enough!
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Bullman you are looking to get your [censored] kicked!
axe knot, treeco will get his due reward soon enough!
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Bullman you are looking to get your [censored] kicked!
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- Portland, Or
to top or not to top...
what a question! In my short career i've been on both sides of the ethical fence. First i was brought up dead against it. DEAD against it. bad bad bad. Then i changed employers, and this one had a slightly different view... or so it seemed. We topped a tree. yeah... that's right, a nasty, gnarled, coat rack loomed in the customers front yard weeping even as we drove away.
the justification? the customers were first thinking of removing the tree. The compromise was that if we just cut it back into a compact and woody form they would build a little tree house up there and the world would spin on a-whistlin' and all that.
so to this day, over a year later, i drive by the tree often and there is no tree house. just an ever thickenning bush. but i digress...
So i began to justify my very occasional obligation (being as i am just a lowly emplyEE) to top. i took comfort in the knowledge that my boss truly cares about trees and his ability to benefit them through his profession. I know he does all he can to talk our customers out of it. He'll even argue. but sometimes a person just wants it done. i decided that, "hey, they're not my trees. they belong to the customer who can do what he likes with them."
today, my opinion varies just slightly. The trees do belong to the customer, but, you know what? sometimes property owners are morons. I've had countless people approach me on the job, asking whether we could remove this tree or that... beautiful trees! a specimen, perfectly formed redwood - an icon from blocks around- so he could put in a trailer park and no doubt pack the tiny spaces with cotonwoods and mulberrys. A HUGE Cedar of Lebanon standing grandly over half a block in the center of town, and the owner wants it out so he can just slightly expande his business parking lot. The biggest black locust on an historic street which we trimmed well and properly, end-weight reduction cuts and all, and he's pissed off cause the thing isn't fifteen feet tall.
people ask every day that we top or remove this tree or that. Most, once they're educated, are open to us doing what we do: the scientific, tried and true right thing. but others don't care for an education. There are SOME cases where we'll do the wrong thing. We'll top a dinky old tree that shouldn't be topped only because some battles aren't worth fighting, and some minds just aren't going to change. Other times... MOST times, we'd sooner walk away from the work. There is a matter of dignity, and perhaps moreover a matter of namesake. i take great pride in the company i work for and the work that i do. I am proud to lurk around this forum, to bury myself in literature, and strive to improve all for the sake of learning to do better and better work.
So while it may hurt my feelings to top a tree or remove one that should stay, In the long run, i think it hurts the company's name more. In my town there is a clear line between the crews who do good work and the ones who do what they must to make some money. Both sides have their place, but as the community becomes slowly more educated, they'll become more and more interested not in obedience but in quality. i'm proud to know that i'm one of the good guys. I'm proud to know that sometimes we pass up work to protect our name and i know our work will be more steady, or at the very least look better because of it.
but in the end, when we drive by the other guys, we still wave, after all, we're all tree guys....
...and that's all i have to say about that...
what a question! In my short career i've been on both sides of the ethical fence. First i was brought up dead against it. DEAD against it. bad bad bad. Then i changed employers, and this one had a slightly different view... or so it seemed. We topped a tree. yeah... that's right, a nasty, gnarled, coat rack loomed in the customers front yard weeping even as we drove away.
the justification? the customers were first thinking of removing the tree. The compromise was that if we just cut it back into a compact and woody form they would build a little tree house up there and the world would spin on a-whistlin' and all that.
so to this day, over a year later, i drive by the tree often and there is no tree house. just an ever thickenning bush. but i digress...
So i began to justify my very occasional obligation (being as i am just a lowly emplyEE) to top. i took comfort in the knowledge that my boss truly cares about trees and his ability to benefit them through his profession. I know he does all he can to talk our customers out of it. He'll even argue. but sometimes a person just wants it done. i decided that, "hey, they're not my trees. they belong to the customer who can do what he likes with them."
today, my opinion varies just slightly. The trees do belong to the customer, but, you know what? sometimes property owners are morons. I've had countless people approach me on the job, asking whether we could remove this tree or that... beautiful trees! a specimen, perfectly formed redwood - an icon from blocks around- so he could put in a trailer park and no doubt pack the tiny spaces with cotonwoods and mulberrys. A HUGE Cedar of Lebanon standing grandly over half a block in the center of town, and the owner wants it out so he can just slightly expande his business parking lot. The biggest black locust on an historic street which we trimmed well and properly, end-weight reduction cuts and all, and he's pissed off cause the thing isn't fifteen feet tall.
people ask every day that we top or remove this tree or that. Most, once they're educated, are open to us doing what we do: the scientific, tried and true right thing. but others don't care for an education. There are SOME cases where we'll do the wrong thing. We'll top a dinky old tree that shouldn't be topped only because some battles aren't worth fighting, and some minds just aren't going to change. Other times... MOST times, we'd sooner walk away from the work. There is a matter of dignity, and perhaps moreover a matter of namesake. i take great pride in the company i work for and the work that i do. I am proud to lurk around this forum, to bury myself in literature, and strive to improve all for the sake of learning to do better and better work.
So while it may hurt my feelings to top a tree or remove one that should stay, In the long run, i think it hurts the company's name more. In my town there is a clear line between the crews who do good work and the ones who do what they must to make some money. Both sides have their place, but as the community becomes slowly more educated, they'll become more and more interested not in obedience but in quality. i'm proud to know that i'm one of the good guys. I'm proud to know that sometimes we pass up work to protect our name and i know our work will be more steady, or at the very least look better because of it.
but in the end, when we drive by the other guys, we still wave, after all, we're all tree guys....
...and that's all i have to say about that...
- Location
- Portland, Or
i suppose not ekka... it's just... well, sometimes folks just make me sooo mad! ... 
(mops away, head hung low ...)
(mops away, head hung low ...)
The title of this post is still sh1te and offensive would tree co like to change it???, are ethics in the uk are no different from any where else in the world as already pointed out.......i do believe we have some of the best trained arborists in the uk,when i was at merristwood college every nationality went and did study there and why where we getting americans europeans australians ect ask us to work in there countries when we had finished....if are ethics are so bad.
offensive is right matty, but hey treeco started the thread so what would u expect
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It seems there's less trust in arborists from homeowners than for a lot of other trades. For instance, if an electrician came in and said well you need to upgrade that subpanel, the home owner is most likely not going to argue or say no we could add at least 4times to that there subpanel, no problem.
but when an arbo comes by and says that it isn't healthy for that tree and it WILL become a liability, often times you get the shaken head and the fingers start pointing all over the place where they want the cuts made.
I had a close friend one time tell me to just go ahead and top her maple in the front yard because she liked it that way, and then started explaining to me that the trees actually like it that way, and that I should listen to the tree....
jp
but when an arbo comes by and says that it isn't healthy for that tree and it WILL become a liability, often times you get the shaken head and the fingers start pointing all over the place where they want the cuts made.
I had a close friend one time tell me to just go ahead and top her maple in the front yard because she liked it that way, and then started explaining to me that the trees actually like it that way, and that I should listen to the tree....
jp
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- Hawaii
It's an awful place to be in to really care about the health and future of the tree but also really need the work and the client on the other hand;
I guess it's a koan for us treeworkers, (a zen question that cannot be answered with our intellect, and only comes from searching profoundly within yourself...)
jp
I guess it's a koan for us treeworkers, (a zen question that cannot be answered with our intellect, and only comes from searching profoundly within yourself...)
jp
guymayor
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It's a koan for us treeworkers, (a zen question that cannot be answered with our intellect, and only comes from searching profoundly within yourself...)
[/ QUOTE ]An answer or perhaps at best a compromise to use while muddling through. Clients do often change when the right lever is found to pry their eyes open with.
You brits should not take the thread title personally; as treeco knows the same problems exist here.
It's a koan for us treeworkers, (a zen question that cannot be answered with our intellect, and only comes from searching profoundly within yourself...)
[/ QUOTE ]An answer or perhaps at best a compromise to use while muddling through. Clients do often change when the right lever is found to pry their eyes open with.
You brits should not take the thread title personally; as treeco knows the same problems exist here.
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- Home of the New Jersey Devils
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You brits should not take the thread title personally; as treeco knows the same problems exist here
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Well said Guy. I think that it was started with that title because of talkings on ASite? Anyway, don't take it personally.
You brits should not take the thread title personally; as treeco knows the same problems exist here
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Well said Guy. I think that it was started with that title because of talkings on ASite? Anyway, don't take it personally.
TreeCo
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Well said Guy. I think that it was started with that title because of talkings on ASite? Anyway, don't take it personally.
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I got the title from a Treehoser thread where several UK arborist were sending in photos of trees they had butchered.
Well said Guy. I think that it was started with that title because of talkings on ASite? Anyway, don't take it personally.
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I got the title from a Treehoser thread where several UK arborist were sending in photos of trees they had butchered.
TreeCo
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Yeah TreeCo, I bet they were all wearing the butchers apron(Union Jack) when they butchered all those poor trees.
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Actually I had brought about a dozen photos over here of the butchered trees but evidently they have been removed.
Yeah TreeCo, I bet they were all wearing the butchers apron(Union Jack) when they butchered all those poor trees.
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Actually I had brought about a dozen photos over here of the butchered trees but evidently they have been removed.
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- Home of the New Jersey Devils
Removed? You mean links?
TreeCo
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Removed? You mean links?
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Attachments.
Removed? You mean links?
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Attachments.
its the tone you did it in that put peoples backs up dan, theres no need to be so blatantly rude to people u know
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