Worker pulled into wood chipper

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That explains alot, so you was raised a sissy your whole life and it still carring on to this day. Got it!
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Is 'carring' supposed to be 'caring' or 'carrying'? Either way, it works for me.
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Yup... a live, 55 year old, sissy. I feel good about that.

Three friends of mine are not old sissys, they're buried.
 
Its not about your friend rightnow jomoco. YOU made it about him, not us. We are talking about an UNproven system that you appearantly know little about.

Care to keep slinging mud, or do you want to havwe a rational, NON biased conversation, with facts, about a potentially new safety device that MAY save lives.
 
I get the distinct impression that you would be wise to back out of these two threads and quit embarrassing yourself by exhibiting your twisted ideas of effective chipper safety in them BB.

jomoco
 
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I get the distinct impression that you would be wise to back out of these two threads and quit embarrassing yourself by exhibiting your twisted ideas of effective chipper safety in them BB.

jomoco

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Is this because you cant prove my FACTS wrong?

Or because you know your system and mathers lack real world testing data?
 
Can you please answer these three questions?



When have I directly stated, as you have pointed out multiple times, that I wish my fellow workers shall die a horrible death of being fed through a chipper?



Do you have any real world R&D on Mather's invention that proves its durable enough for our industry?




Can you name one case in which a conscious or unconscious worker has been passed through a chipper while following all safety rules set forth by the chipper manufacturers, feeding from the side of the machine?
 
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I somehow doubt you guys would be so glib on this important matter if one of your friends ended up in tiny bits in the back of a company chiptruck.

If you want to be glib and funny about such things, then starting another thread would show far more respect for a dead fellow treeworker guys.

jomoco

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I don't think we're direspecting our fallen brother any more than this mud slinging contest between you and BB.
 
Let's get real here BB, Ok?

You feel that by enforcing the rules of safe chipper operation on each chipper model as stated in the manufacturers instruction manual of that model, is a sufficient means, or atleast acceptable means of reducing these deaths currently plaguing the tree industry. And that the same degree of adherence to those instructions is a valid defense for the manufacturers of that model in a US court of law if it ate an incapacitated treeworker on the job?

Am I right BB?

Now, I simply disagree with you quite strenuously on your opinion, and further that I firmly believe I could kick the butt of any manufacturers taking such a blatantly criminal line of defense.

One, that defense's success to date very accurately illustrates the current escalating death toll's driving factor that enables the death toll number to continue escalating into the future.

And all a well to do family of an operator who has been eaten while incapacitated by a manufacturer's chipper would have to do to win in court big time, is hire an attorney and an engineering firm, and document that the technology existed in 1996 to prevent incapacitated operators from being sucked into a whole tree chipper, then prove it by documenting an engineering firm, like say EG&G Astrophysics in Dallas Texas, building such a chipper and demonstrating it's effectiveness to the court using the technology that existed in 1996.

Once that is accomplished, all the Attorney has to prove is that the technology was presented and offered to the manufacturer for license, and that the manufacturer chose not to pursue it purposely.

And it's simply a matter of time before either a grieving wealthy family proves this, or state and federal safety officials finally get the bright idea to do their jobs by proving it, thereby bringing an end to this deception by the manufacturers that these deaths were not within their capabilities to prevent or mitigate with the technology offered to them at that time.

The clock is running out on their continued deception perpetrated on the very operators of their equipment.

It's a huge deception, and all it would take to prove it is an engineering firm, a lawyer, and some money.

So we simply disagree BB my friend, accept it and deal with it.

Effective safety systems that prevent the unnecessary death of an equipment operator are a good thing, ignoring such systems as a manufacturer leads to being convicted of the gross negligence they themselves falsely accused the dead victims of. Kind of a karmic justice coming full circle finally reducing the death toll, and actually getting it to drop substantially at last.

The judge will probably wonder which statutes of law these manufacturers have broken, apply best to the case the jury will be deciding, gross negligence leading to death, or cruel and unusual corporate behavior leading to death.


Your preferred safety controls are self evident in their failure to prevent the death toll escalation we are currently witness to.

Where as Mather's system being not only economically more appealing than mine, will prove relatively much simpler to engineer using off the shelf parts for almost every component.

The same engineering that could have helped burnish their corporate reputations so long ago will now be used against them in court.

Jomoco
 
You really feel that chipper makers should be held accountable for an operator using their machine in a fashion in which it clearly states is worng? REALLY!?

I am going to use a leather cambium saver to reduce friction on a steel choker of a crane. When it fails to do reduce that friction I am going to sue you, the maker of this device, even though it is not its intended use.


If it were that easy to win in court with UNPROVEN TECHNOLOGIES it would have already happened since 1996.






Do you have any real world R&D on Mather's invention that proves its durable enough for our industry?




Can you name one case in which a conscious or unconscious worker has been passed through a chipper while following all safety rules set forth by the chipper manufacturers, feeding from the side of the machine?
 
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I somehow doubt you guys would be so glib on this important matter if one of your friends ended up in tiny bits in the back of a company chiptruck.

If you want to be glib and funny about such things, then starting another thread would show far more respect for a dead fellow treeworker guys.

jomoco

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I don't think we're direspecting our fallen brother any more than this mud slinging contest between you and BB.

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awww man! im not slinging mud just asking questions.

This wouldnt be 7 pages long if Jomoco would have answered the questions 4 pages ago. thread would have been dead in its tracks.

We all know the answers to my questions, Jomoco wont answerr them because the answers to my 2 questions prove that he hasnt a clue about what he speaks of, he just has a vendetta against all chipper manufacturers.
 
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More like if there's a better way to reduce treeworker deathrates on the job, I'm all for it BB.

How about you, do you want some tangibly better way to reduce deathrates in our biz?

Or do you feel more robust enforcement of the manufacturers guide lines that exist now is better?

jomoco
 
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More like if there's a better way to reduce treeworker deathrates on the job, I'm all for it BB.

How about you, do you want some tangibly better way to reduce deathrates in our biz?

Or do you feel more robust enforcement of the manufacturers guide lines that exist now is better?

jomoco

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I want to make our industry safer with PROVEn technology! Any PROVEN technology that can save lives is a huge thumbs up in my book!!!!

Now how about you answer a few questions?
PPLLEEAASSEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!






Do you have any real world R&D on Mather's invention that proves its durable enough for our industry?




Can you name one case in which a conscious or unconscious worker has been passed through a chipper while following all safety rules set forth by the chipper manufacturers, feeding from the side of the machine?
 
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This wouldnt be 7 pages long if Jomoco would have answered the questions 4 pages ago. thread would have been dead in its tracks.



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Why BB, a thinking treeworker might gather you feel 7 pages of vigorous debate to explore the reasons why over 35 of our fellow chipper operators are now dead is unworthy of our valuable time on labor day? Or that discussions about potential means of finally tangibly reducing their currently escalating deathrates are unusual in your opinion.

Should we get back to more civil debates on preferred methods of footlocking and cool new biners instead my friend?

jomoco
 
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This wouldnt be 7 pages long if Jomoco would have answered the questions 4 pages ago. thread would have been dead in its tracks.



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Why BB, a thinking treeworker might gather you feel 7 pages of vigorous debate to explore the reasons why over 35 of our fellow chipper operators are now dead is unworthy of our valuable time on labor day? Or that discussions about potential means of finally tangibly reducing their currently escalating deathrates are unusual in your opinion.

Should we get back to more civil debates on preferred methods of footlocking and cool new biners instead my friend?

jomoco

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I am TRYING to discuss everything you mentioned.

YOU ARE AVOIDING THE TOPIC AT HAND!

Please answer these questions!




Why are chipper makers held resposible for some using their machine in a fashion in which it wasnt designed for?





Do you have any real world R&D on Mather's invention that proves its durable enough for our industry?




Can you name one case in which a conscious or unconscious worker has been passed through a chipper while following all safety rules set forth by the chipper manufacturers, feeding from the side of the machine?
 
Re: Worker pulled into wood

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I just didn't appreciate being accused of desrespect towards our fallen comrad over a couple of posts, you know what that feels like right?

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I feel ya! i dont like being accused of untrue things either, especially slanderous allegations. I dont think you know what that feels like.
 
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The answers to all three of your questions are in the other thread BB, and I'm not the one posting multiple threads to get out of a thread on the same topic that's unflattering.

jomoco
 
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I've been illustrating the obvious and self evident shortcomings of your responses in both threads that even a dumb treeworker would appreciate for some time now BB my friend!

jomoco
 
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No you havent you have been building a slander suit against yourself.

All the while dodging questions, slinging mud, and sounding like a crazed lunatic intent on shutting down american chipper manufacturers for not buying your or Mathers UNTESTED inventions on a hope, whim, and a prayer!

get real man!
 
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This company needs to go down. This is the second person in just a few years to go through their chipper. They are at fault. that other coworker should do some soul searching. He left his coworker alone to get pulled through. He could be alive todoy if that coworker was with him to stop him from killing himself.
 

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