Eminectin benzoate rates

[Matias]

I expect to be getting deeper into this stuff in the next year or two, and for the number of trees I'll likely be treating for any given client, it will really matter how long each injection takes, so as much insight that y'all are inclined to give on that aspect would be hugely appreciated.

 

[ATH]

I expect to be getting deeper into this stuff in the next year or two, and for the number of trees I'll likely be treating for any given client, it will really matter how long each injection takes, so as much insight that y'all are inclined to give on that aspect would be hugely appreciated.

If you want to go fast, either QuickJet Air or Rainbow's Q-connect. I have a quick jet air that I bought from another arborist who did not like it. It works great for me. I use it without plugs. I've had this since before Rainbow released their Qconnect. If I were starting from scratch, I might choose that instead. But no regrets with a quick jet air.

The regular quick jet sucks. It is okay for a few trees - small volume... But I wouldn't want to use it all day.

I used ArborKet's tree IV for many years. It does a good job. It is easier to use than the regular quick jet. But it is much slower than quick jet air. Since I have it, if two of us are going out to treat, I'll still use it...

 

[Matias]

If you want to go fast, either QuickJet Air or Rainbow's Q-connect. I have a quick jet air that I bought from another arborist who did not like it. It works great for me. I use it without plugs. I've had this since before Rainbow released their Qconnect. If I were starting from scratch, I might choose that instead. But no regrets with a quick jet air.

The regular quick jet sucks. It is okay for a few trees - small volume... But I wouldn't want to use it all day.

I used ArborKet's tree IV for many years. It does a good job. It is easier to use than the regular quick jet. But it is much slower than quick jet air. Since I have it, if two of us are going out to treat, I'll still use it...

Thanks for the download. I don't think my clients will wanna see plugs left in, so plugless is a consideration too.

 

[Basswood]

Bigger fan of the q connect over the quikjet air, especially if it’s not a daily use piece of equipment. I will say the quikjet I was doing 75-100 Ash a day (with a helper), so it’s a very efficient system. But there’s just so many moving parts and things that can and will go wrong. If you’re not diligent about cleaning then things gum up quickly.

Q connect is nice and basic; easy maintenance in the field. Not much can and does go wrong with them. I haven’t had a project like the one mentioned to truly test efficiencies side by side though.

If you’re not already plugless I strongly recommend doing so!

 

[ATH]

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If you’re not already plugless I strongly recommend doing so!

Thanks for the comparison between the two. I agree the quick jet air takes some maintenance and can be finicky... And they're like their proprietary parts so it's not like I could run to the hardware store and get everything I need if it goes down today.

I haven't used the q connect. Just have seen it demoed so I don't have the experience with commercial use. Good to hear it is a simple system.

Regarding plugless, so glad I made the switch. I actually bought the q connect needle to use with my quick jet air. Arborjet doesn't advertise it much, but I'm pretty sure their stinger needle would also work with a quick jet air. They stick by the importance of plugs for holding product in. I haven't found problems with it leaking. The cynic in me wonders whether the science says It is best to use plugs, or if they like selling plugs at 50 cents a pop.

 

[Basswood]

Thanks for the comparison between the two. I agree the quick jet air takes some maintenance and can be finicky... And they're like their proprietary parts so it's not like I could run to the hardware store and get everything I need if it goes down today.

I haven't used the q connect. Just have seen it demoed so I don't have the experience with commercial use. Good to hear it is a simple system.

Regarding plugless, so glad I made the switch. I actually bought the q connect needle to use with my quick jet air. Arborjet doesn't advertise it much, but I'm pretty sure their stinger needle would also work with a quick jet air. They stick by the importance of plugs for holding product in. I haven't found problems with it leaking. The cynic in me wonders whether the science says It is best to use plugs, or if they like selling plugs at 50 cents a pop.

Yeah I have some gripes with arborjet as far as support and proprietary parts for operation go. Plugs are a bit of a pet peeve of mine now. I just don’t think they’re necessary with the right set up. And it’s just more plastic and trash. So many plugs, even when set well I have seen push out. And damn expensive for what they are.

Q connect for example you can chase the dose with water to flush it out and make sure any backflow isn’t the pesticide. Do that daily and that’s probably all the maintenance needed. But most treatments that’s not even done and I see no real loss of product or exposure risk. Many days out of pure laziness I just throw the q in the back of my truck without cleaning and it works just fine the next day; with the exception of the one way valves but that’s always been fixed with a bit of cleaning with provided tool kit brushes. I do see a bit more back flow with the quikjet if you remove the plugless too quickly or using too high of a pressure for that tip.

 

[The Green One]

Thanks for the download. I don't think my clients will wanna see plugs left in, so plugless is a consideration too.

Hey Matias,

Just some objective experience with the Arborplugs, as I find they help in certain situations and nice to have many tools in your PHC injection toolbox.

If a treated tree has good Vigor, and you set them at the correct depth, a couple seasons of new growth (jackets) and you don't see them again in a couple years, when you return for retreat. Also less chance for air embolism thus less CODIT response.....at least in theory.

Also I find on multiple trees as a Solo PHC person and I have to do multiple trees, waiting for Chemjets/Mauget smartshots to empty, and the old arborjet hand injector needle into Arborplugs, keeps things moving.

If I was only putting 5ml per arborplug, the old hand squeeze system would be fine alone. (not Conifers!)

Conifers would be Air Jet system into Plugs. Here in the Northeast, not so many issues with Conifers as other parts of the US.

The Q Connect system is my next purchase too, and the main attraction is their plugless T.

Arborjet used those plugless T's many years ago I believe.

It will be welcome news if ATH learns and shares that the new G5 formulation has a rapid uptake with that higher % of EM Ben. 5 ml of that in an Arborplug/OR Plugless and your up 20% on your A.I.

Going to follow along here and see what comes. Thanks all for sharing the good stuff!

 

[ATH]

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The Q Connect system is my next purchase too, and the main attraction is their plugless T.

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If the plugless T is the only reason you'd buy the Qconnect then just use that T with Quickjet air. I've been doing that for 2 years.

Not saying don't get the Q connect...just that you can use the T without it.

I've not tried the Stinger needle so cannot compare if that's better or worse.

 

[ATH]

So after touting the Q connect adapter earlier today I went to use it for the first time this season. Hose isn't sealing into the quick connection and it's leaking.

Fortunately I have an old ArborJet T that someone getting rid of old equipment so I kept going. Option C would have been plugs and a regular ArborJet needle. Especially being an hour from home options are good!

 

[ATH]

This is the adapter made by Rainbow for the QJ Air.

This is the Rainbow and the old ArborJet. The reason I like the rainbow better is the valve. Otherwise both are the same size