Worker pulled into wood chipper

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How am I a hypocrite about chippers and cranes you lunatic!? Show me where I said chippers should NOT be made safer! You really shouldnt be putting words in my mouth!

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Then I gather that you support these chipper manufacturers incorporating safety systems onto their whole tree chippers capable of preventing an incapacitated operator from being chipped alive?

I'd like to hear both you and TMW expressing that belief in solidarity with your fellow treeworkers, I really would BB.

I'd like this whole thread to be published in the next issue of TCIA and the ISA newsletters as well.

Many things need to change in this industry for the better.

jomoco
 
youre a selective reader I see! I have said that at least 4 times in this thread alrady, but here goes again just to amuse YOU! I would love to see safer chippers brouight to the market!

By solidarity do you mean DONATING our time and money to the tree industry to make it a safer place? between just the two of us we; sit on multiple safety boards within the industry, teach awareness programs such as EHAP/AerialRescue/CTSP/Rigging/Crane Safety/Chipper Safety, sit on ANSI boards, OSHA Boards, write directives, write articles for major publications on safety, etc etc etc. this does NOT count what the rest of the people I work with and know in my small tree community around here do for this ENTIRE industry. This is a subject you know little about and you are only getting yourself deeper.

You see the trouble with the internet is that BB could be a fisteen year old girl who studies hard enough to sound intellegint, or a decent tree guy with a lifes passion for this industry who is extremely involved and active......
 
Can you please show me records of thsi RFID mechanism in use in a CHIPPER, for a few years, in the lements, in real world usage/maintenance, and its long term reliability. I dont want to hear about a meat cutting plant its been in for 15 years, we've heard that already.
 
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I'd like this whole thread to be published in the next issue of TCIA and the ISA newsletters as well.

Many things need to change in this industry for the better.

jomoco

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Step up and do it! Submit it to TCI and ISA yourself. be proactive and make your voice heard. Its easy!
 
I'm all up for change and I think this system is a good idea.

However I don't think that it will change anything, the people that TMW talked about break the easy rules like don't stand on the chute, what makes you think they would wear these bands?

There is no safety system that takes the place of proper training.
 
There is STILL going to be the human element in chipper feeding. Once they figure out how to fool the safety feature (won't turn on UNTIL it sences 1 wrist and an ankle band). The ground people MAY hang the bands on the existing control bar.

FWIW, I think supplying and ankle band is just WRONG, that alone says its OK to use your feet to push stuborn pieces in, with their feet!
 
Well TD, does an inertia chain brake make you think it's ok to run the tip of your bar into every piece of wood in front of it?

Does an engine rebuilder drop engine blocks on his feet because he's wearing steel toed boots?

Your logical thought processes are somewhat lacking and weak my friend, twisted out of shape even.

jomoco
 
Jomo,

Without quoting what you're referring to I have no clue how to respond.

Here's a bit of my life story so that you can understand my weak and lacking thought processes.

In 1960, when I was 6, my folks bought a Plymouth Belvedere like this, http://tinyurl.com/lrbq99 At the time driver's lap belts were only required. My folks took the car over to the St. Paul 'Monkey Wards' store and had lap belts installed for Mom, sis and me. WAY before government regs made them mandatory. Since then I've warn my seatbelt all of the time, even backing out of a driveway or moving around in a parking lot. It's part of my nature and upbringing to be safe. Over the years I've been in some fender benders but it wasn't until this past May when I really needed the shoulder harness/airbags when I was in a wreck that totaled the company pickup.

The way I approach a situation isn't changed because of 'backup' safety processes or systems.

I've never broken a pair of safety glasses but I wear them all of the time. A couple of helmets have been dented or cracked...but not my noggin.
 
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My folks took the car over to the St. Paul 'Monkey Wards' store and had lap belts installed for Mom, sis and me. WAY before government regs made them

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That explains alot, so you was raised a sissy your whole life and it still carring on to this day. Got it!
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My folks took the car over to the St. Paul 'Monkey Wards' store and had lap belts installed for Mom, sis and me. WAY before government regs made them

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That explains alot, so you was raised a sissy your whole life and it still carring on to this day. Got it!
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It's been fun holly!
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My folks took the car over to the St. Paul 'Monkey Wards' store and had lap belts installed for Mom, sis and me. WAY before government regs made them

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That explains alot, so you was raised a sissy your whole life and it still carring on to this day. Got it!
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Is this living life to its fullest?
Dude, there is more out there.
 
Had morbark and vermeer taken the same approach to safety as Tom's mother there might have been over 30 chipper operators still alive today able to live life to it's fullest guys.

jomoco
 
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Had morbark and vermeer taken the same approach to safety as Tom's mother there might have been over 30 chipper operators still alive today able to live life to it's fullest guys.

jomoco

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Do you have proof that this system is durable to face the rigors of day to day whole tree chipping operations and still be fully functional beyond a shadow of a doubt?

If it is not durable PROVEN enough, the manufacturers who use this technology will be facing a lot more lawsuits than they are now! Guys will be able to sue them saying they stuck their hand, with bracelet on, NEAR the infeed chute past the sensors and the machines wheels kept feeding.

There are already enough frivolous lawsuits out there.


Why are you pushing an UNproven technology so hard? Whats at stake?
 
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Had morbark and vermeer taken the same approach to safety as Tom's mother there might have been over 30 chipper operators still alive today able to live life to it's fullest guys.

jomoco

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Do you have proof that this system is durable to face the rigors of day to day whole tree chipping operations and still be fully functional beyond a shadow of a doubt?

If it is not durable PROVEN enough, the manufacturers who use this technology will be facing a lot more lawsuits than they are now! Guys will be able to sue them saying they stuck their hand, with bracelet on, NEAR the infeed chute past the sensors and the machines wheels kept feeding.

There are already enough frivolous lawsuits out there.


Why are you pushing an UNproven technology so hard? Whats at stake?

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Bull, I couldn't agree with you more.

I DO NOT want to have to rely on a bracelet that could malfunction to keep me safe. Who's to say that the bracelet itself couldn't become a snagging hazard?

There is way too much frivolous lawsuits out there for sure. That much HAS BEEN PROVEN.
 
Re: Worker pulled into wood

I somehow doubt you guys would be so glib on this important matter if one of your friends ended up in tiny bits in the back of a company chiptruck.

If you want to be glib and funny about such things, then starting another thread would show far more respect for a dead fellow treeworker guys.

jomoco
 
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