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In all the pics of the units stickers, not one of them warn against or prohibit single operator's feeding the unit.

If NIOSH/FACE recommend two man operation #3 on their list of effective fatality prevention rules, then why doesn't the instruction manual even mention it, much less recommend it?

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They don't mention it because these units CAN BE USED BY A SINGLE OPERATOR if used according to the instruction manual.

I really don't see why you can't see this? Like Bull has said, show us one chipper fatality where the operator was feeding the chipper correctly from the side and then walking away.
 
Was that on a sticker, kinda maybe when possible kinda symbology of a hand waggling sorta thing?

Might be best to take a pic and post that section of the instructions BB.

I mean, let's play fair on the pic thing now?

jomoco
 
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They don't mention it because these units CAN BE USED BY A SINGLE OPERATOR if used according to the instruction manual.

I really don't see why you can't see this? Like Bull has said, show us one chipper fatality where the operator was feeding the chipper correctly from the side and then walking away.

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Come on Chris, we're speaking to the disparity between the NIOSH/FACE recommendations to reduce fatalities, and that recommendation's complete absence in the instruction manual or warning stickers sold by the manufacturer.

Speak to the point being illustrated please.

jomoco
 
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Was that on a sticker, kinda maybe when possible kinda symbology of a hand waggling sorta thing?

Might be best to take a pic and post that section of the instructions BB.

I mean, let's play fair on the pic thing now?

jomoco

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Please show me where ANSI or OSHA, has a LAW stating we MUST use 2 operators, this is a fantasy in your mind only.


Can you please answer the question that has been presented to you over and over again?


Has there been one case of a man being fed through a chipper who was feeding it per the manufacturers instructions?
 
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Was that on a sticker, kinda maybe when possible kinda symbology of a hand waggling sorta thing?

Might be best to take a pic and post that section of the instructions BB.

I mean, let's play fair on the pic thing now?

jomoco

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Please show me where ANSI or OSHA, has a LAW stating we MUST use 2 operators, this is a fantasy in your mind only.


Can you please answer the question that has been presented to you over and over again?


Has there been one case of a man being fed through a chipper who was feeding it per the manufacturers instructions?

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Kinda hard to say when over half these fatalities were unwitnessed BB.

There you go again, with your unique crystal ball from china assumptions.

jomoco
 
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Was that on a sticker, kinda maybe when possible kinda symbology of a hand waggling sorta thing?

Might be best to take a pic and post that section of the instructions BB.

I mean, let's play fair on the pic thing now?

jomoco

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Please show me where ANSI or OSHA, has a LAW stating we MUST use 2 operators, this is a fantasy in your mind only.


Can you please answer the question that has been presented to you over and over again?


Has there been one case of a man being fed through a chipper who was feeding it per the manufacturers instructions?

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Kinda hard to say when over half these fatalities were unwitnessed BB.

There you go again, with your unique crystal ball from china assumptions.

jomoco

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No crystal ball, I have the same info you do. I dont see one case that someone has died using proper recomendations per the manufacturer.


null and void, moot point!
 
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Can you please answer the question that has been presented to you over and over again?



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Hmmmm, now what was that question again?


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So let's get current, you say the manufacturer's instructions being followed more strictly is your solution preferrence for this escalating deathrate problem?

But even NIOSH/FACE officials can see the connection between feed alone deaths and their prevalence in their death totals.

They know the percentage of these fatalities involving another groundman in close proximity, and I'm sure they're miniscule in proportion to the feed alone's.

That's why it's in NIOSH/FACE's top three recommendations!

Seems like you think redundant safety systems are unnecessary on WTC's whether mechanical or in the form of a second operator?

Is it your company's policy to allow single man operation of a whole tree chipper BB?

jomoco
 
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So let's get current, you say the manufacturer's instructions being followed more strictly is your solution preferrence for this escalating deathrate problem?

But even NIOSH/FACE officials can see the connection between feed alone deaths and their prevalence in their death totals.

They know the percentage of these fatalities involving another groundman in close proximity, and I'm sure they're miniscule in proportion to the feed alone's.

That's why it's in NIOSH/FACE's top three recommendations!

Seems like you think redundant safety systems are unnecessary on WTC's whether mechanical or in the form of a second operator?

Is it your company's policy to allow single man operation of a whole tree chipper BB?

jomoco

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I am saying proper TRAINING, and following manufacturers specs are the better option here.

NIOSH/FACE recommendations are great, but not law! Most death reports list the last witness saying the employee who died was last seen IN the hopper pushing material in with their hands and feet......care to explain why this is!?

I think redundant safety systems, RFID etc etc are great.....on paper. They are unproven in our industry though!

I dont own a company, therefore I have no policies. What is your policy?
 
My policy on my chip crews saved three separate lives as witnessed by me, and yes it's a two man minimum to feed a WTC policy that worked.

Why is it that you've suddenly transformed into a private with a rake about crew safety policies BB?

You carry a phone booth around for that trick boss?

jomoco
 
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My policy on my chip crews saved three separate lives as witnessed by me, and yes it's a two man minimum to feed a WTC policy that worked.

Why is it that you've suddenly transformed into a private with a rake about crew safety policies BB?

You carry a phone booth around for that trick boss?

jomoco

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Easy young man treading on thin ice!

My views, opinions, and rhetoric are my PERSONAL views. If you would like to discuss company policies our legal staff would be more than happy to oblige you with that. And any other slanderous comments that you may have.

How about YOU answer some questions, you slippery little devil you!
 
But I just gave you my WTC policy as both a foreman and general foreman since 1992 BB.

I deliver while you defer to a lawyer?

It's so very revealing that you can't advocate mechanical or human redundancy failsafes, but rather prefer more strict training and following of the manufacturer's instruction manual as a way to nip this chipped operator problem in the bud most effectively.

You're an interesting guy BB, but someone might get the impression you don't particularly care for the lives of WTC operators prone to mistakes while exhausted.

Not even enough to advocate a WTC two man minimum policy eh?

jomoco
 
here are 7 deaths from the last decade. these are all copied from OSHA's website, the names of the deceased have been removed for RESPECT.

care to explain?????



The victim was a groundsman, and at the time of the accident his job was to feed the cut brush and branches into the Wood/Chuck Chipper. Other employees in the work crew heard the victim scream. The closest employee to the victim ran over and saw that the victim was being pulled into the chipper feet first. The closest employee got to the chipper and pushed the Directional Control Arm forward (to stop the infeed motion) and then he turned off the ignition key to shut down the chipper. The victim sustained extensive serious injuries and he died at the scene. Employee interviews indicated that, for some reason, the victim attempted to feed some of the brush into the Feed Chute with his foot, and the brush caught his foot and pulled him into the machine.

The employee was grinding tree branches with a self-feeding wood chipper. While feeding material into the hopper, the employee apparently attempted to dislodge or push through jammed material with his foot or hand. The employee was pulled into the infeed wheels and fed to the chipper blade.

An inadequately trained employee of a tree service firm was operating a wood chipper during a tree trimming operation. The chipper was only 3 months old and was equipped with an operating bar on both sides and top but no stop control. Additionally, the in-feed rollers were not guarded. While feeding material into the chipper, the employee was apparently caught in the in-feed rollers and was pulled into the chipper and killed.

At approximately 5:00 p.m. on April 23, 1997, Employee #1 was feeding pruned tree limbs into a Morbark E-Z Bever wood chipper. He made contact with the feeder drum, located 63 in. from where he was standing on the ground at the infeed tray, and was grabbed by the feed wheel. He was then drawn into the chipper drum located inside the machine, and chopped to death by the chipper blades. The employee's remains were deposited into the wood chip receiver truck through the discharge spout of the chipper. There is a reversing safety bar for the feeder drum, located at the mouth of the infeed. It is bail shaped, and goes down both sides and across the top of the feeder.

ON 15 JULY 2000 AT APPROXIMATELY 1330 HOURS, EMPLOYEE NO.1 SUFFERED A GRUESOME FATAL WORK INJURY AS RESULT OF A CONTACT WITH THE BRUSH CHIPPER'S BLADES. A CREW OF 8 WERE ASSIGNED TO DO A HALF A DAY TRIMMING OF EUCALYPTUS AND FINE TREES AT THE SIDE AND FRONT OF AN OFFICE COMPLEX. THE TRIMMING CREW WERE STACKING TREE BRANCHES BY THE TREES, AND THE VICTIM WAS GOING AROUND CHIPPING THE PILES OF BRANCHES. BY 1:30 PM, THE VICTIM WAS CHIPPING A PILE OF MEDIUM AND SHORT FINE TREE LIMBS BY THE FRONT ROAD. HE WAS WORKING ALONE WHILE FEEDING A PILE OF SHORT LIMBS, WITH HIS GLOVES, INTO THE TWO FEED ROLLERS WHEN HE EITHER LOST HIS BALANCE DURING A SNAG AND WAS PULLED INTO THE SHREDDING BLADES OR THE VICTIM WAS LEANING FORWARD ON THE SHORT FEED TABLE WHILE PUSHING, WITH HIS GLOVES, A PILE OF SHORT LIMBS THROUGH THE FEED ROLLERS WHEN HIS GLOVES WERE CAUGHT BY THE FEED ROLLERS THEN PULLED INTO THE SHREDDING BLADES. THERE WERE NO ACTUAL WITNESSES TO THE ACCIDENT. THE VICTIM'S ENTIRE BODY WAS SLOWLY CHOPPED INTO SMALL PIECES AT ABOUT 4 TO 6 INCHES PER SECOND. THE EMPLOYEE WAS NOT USING A PUSH- STICK OR ANY LONG TREE BRANCH TO PUSH THE SHORT PIECES OF LIMBS THROUGH THE INTAKE BLADES IN ORDER TO PREVENT THE OPERATOR'S HAND FROM ENTERING THE DANGER ZONE. THE EMPLOYEE WAS OPERATING A HEAVY DUTY VERMEER BRUSH CHIPPER (BC 1800A, TURBO DIESEL, PERKINS 106HP, 18" CAPACITY, EMPLOYEE WAS HIRED IN 29 APRIL 1993 AND HAS 7 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN OPERATING BRUSH CHIPPERS. THE CAUSAL FACTOR WHICH CONTRIBUTED TO THE ACCIDENT INCLUDED THE EMPLOYER'S FAILURE IN PREVENTING THE EMPLOYEE FROM PUSHING A PILE OF SHORT LIMBS, WITH HIS HANDS, INTO THE FEED ROLLER'S BLADES.

At approximately 4:00 p.m. on October 6, 1994, Employee #1 and a coworker, of Atlantic Tree Service, Inc., were topping trees and trimming the lower branches on an evergreen tree. The foreman was cutting the trees with a chain saw and Employee #1 was the ground person. Around 5:30 p.m., Employee #1, who was hand feeding the evergreen branches into the shredder/chipper machine, got his left arm caught in the chipper. His arm was pulled into the blades and shredded; only partial bone below the shoulder socket remained. The foreman, hearing Employee #1 yell, pushed the emergency stop bar and reversed the in-going rotor. Employee #1 fell backward to the ground. He was unconscious. Someone called 911. Employee #1 was pronounced dead at the job site. His left arm was shredded past the elbow and there appeared to be a puncture wound on the right temple. Employee #1 was wearing gloves that the company had issued. It did not appear, though, that he was wearing eye and face protection equipment; none were visible in the immediate area. Employee #1 had previous experience with another tree cutting company and had been given hands-on training on how to operate the chipper machine by the company president and foreman. Safety instructions and danger signs are posted on the machine. The emergency stop bar was tested and was working properly.

On September 2, 1994, Employee #1, of Mt. Clements Tree Service, was operating a harvester chipper that was equipped with a grapple feed arm. A witness said that Employee #1 exited the machine's cab and was standing in front of the feeder while the machine was running. He then leaned toward the feeder with his upper torso and his hands made a motion while his head went into the feed end of the machine. Employee #1's body was drawn through the chipper and he was killed.
 
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