what's in your rigging bags?! Show em up !

Stihlmadd said:
John is that a giant red d shackle in the black bag?
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Wow! Good eye (y). That's my tie in for the crane... not exactly rigging, but not exactly climbing either :inocente:.

Yes lots of X-Rigging when I'm on the job, my blocks almost get no use... thus their being relegated to the back row. I typically do entire removals using just a basket set of X Rings with two or three redirects, porty, and maybe a spider leg sling. The beast rings are pretty new for me, but I've been negative rigging into them instead of a block.
 
I just have to figure out how to make a decent video from the ground with a hand held video camera. Since I do the mondo rigging with the xrrs it'll be a feat
 
Bog roll is a tasty pastry from the bakery, i recommend all buzzers try one!

Stihlmad....addiction..um..yeah!

I have 4 whoopie slings and pulleys, friction drum and a few ropes in my kit. Whats a rigging plate??

Mad,you could be a traveling salesman with that bounty
 
The xrrs give you more friction at the rigging point and I have a grasp on why that's a positive. If you're lifting and constantly pulling in with the grcs is xrr the best choice or a block? How much extra friction/force would need to be applied in a pulling in scenario? Does any one run a grcs with xrings, that can shed some light?
 
I had some rigging questions that were tough getting answered exactly of the nature your talking about. We need to get a load cell ( rock exotica enforcer) would be perfect. Or I was talking to Old Fart and he gave me the idea of setting up the test of using a counter weight on the other end of the load being lifted and you could get an idea ,but you wouldn't be able to get solid numbers on the maximum force necessary to actually lift the load at hand . We both agreed enforcer in test would be perfect.
 
Treetopflyer said:
I had some rigging questions that were tough getting answered exactly of the nature your talking about. We need to get a load cell ( rock exotica enforcer) would be perfect. Or I was talking to Old Fart and he gave me the idea of setting up the test of using a counter weight on the other end of the load being lifted and you could get an idea ,but you wouldn't be able to get solid numbers on the maximum force necessary to actually lift the load at hand . We both agreed enforcer in test would be perfect.
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I've never had the chance to use a goods, we have a porti, if we need any big lifting it's with the 5:1 b&t so usually we don't get into lifting limbs to much
 
It would seem that, like with all rigging in tree work, other factors would play a part in the efficiency of a rigging system. It would seem that a x ring attached to a stout and static section of tree in a tenex sling with a static rigging rope such as stable braid would have equal lifting efficiency as a block attached to a more dynamic less stout portion of the tree with a double braid sling with dynasorb run through it. The more static components of the first (x ring) scenario would allow the GRCS to overcome the minimal friction of the ring whereas is the second scenario the lifting device would also over come the bending of the TIP and stretch of the rope with the added efficiency of the block. Does that make sense?
I have had no problem pre tensioning rigging lines run through several x rings (say two single ring redirects and one triple ring termination rigging point) with a Stein Dual. It was not a lifting situation but the piece to be rigged remained at the elevation I wanted it to by pre tensioning the line.
I would also love to see some RE Enforcer results from several setups as well.
 
Treetopflyer said:
Maybe not limbs for usual day to day ..But storm damage lifting trees or pieces of it would be good to know.
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They biggest piece I've lifted/ turned with storm damage we used the truck. But you're right knowing these things could help you plan things better
 
Yeah, Its just for piece of mind. I'm interested to know the difference between lifting the same load with rings and a block and what the difference is.
 
Good thought worthaug wonder if the that holds true /or if once you get into heavier lifting if then it magnifies the force required on rings because they're definitely providing some frixtion.. I'm betting the bend of rigging sheave whether by pulley or amount of rings stacked has some input as well overall. Bigger turn more m.a. .If you stacked 4 or 5 rings would it aid in m.a. or the bend radius truly doesn't change because the rope is truly only bending over the outside of the outer rings. In that case the bend over two beasts stacked is good as it gets I'd think until a bigger ring is produced possibly .
 
I really since I already have a block and really shouldn't care , but I can't help that I'd like to know a bit more about it. I don't want to stick to what I think I know. I want to get to the nitty gritty of the differences. We know that dropping on xrings is advantageous because of the smooth consistent friction they provide.. How limiting is the lifting if much at all.. Until we reach certain mass then is it exponentially taking more force, where the block stays more consistent.. I don't know ? One thing I'll say as a climber with no bucket,crane ,lifts. I would in the past climb the anchor tree or throw line to my desired anchor point if lucky enough to gett it and if so ty on the bull rope hoist the block with rigging line into place, lock off rope with block on porty and not want or need to climb back up to retrieve that is great , except for the multiplying forces x4 on the rigging point. . The Xrings in retrievable configuration basket 3/4 inch sling is extremely strong and your eliminating unnecessary legs of line in scenarios and unnecessary force on anchor point. I'm sure most are familiar with what I'm describing . Even in lifting its less stress on anchor point with not hanging a block and that's an achievement in it self ... Just adding to the soup here and looking for reasons to lighten my rigging gear bag. If I can do the same thing and make it retrievable and not tote around the a traditional heavy tailboard block I like that , even if the block is a work of art. For the strength to wieght ratio of xrings are awesome.
 
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Stihlmadd said:
just waiting for that order to be delivered any day now :sleep: and I am queing up some decent removals to test the X-rings out -really looking forward to it, then forwarding the footage to our kind and humble benefactor :D
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I'm checking in. Guys that sent in your address to my PM box, I responded to every one in my PM and printed off your information now. Put it in the pile of ORDERS TO FULFILL. If you didn't get a response and you posted on this thread before my free give-away. Make sure u write me again.

StihlMadd, that was funny. Unfortunately I suck at speed when it comes to sending out the free stuff. I'm fast if I'm not crazy busy, but I'm heart attack busy right now.
But I promise you will get your stuff; even if I made a promise while :birra:.

:)
 
KevinS said:
The xrrs give you more friction at the rigging point and I have a grasp on why that's a positive. If you're lifting and constantly pulling in with the grcs is xrr the best choice or a block? How much extra friction/force would need to be applied in a pulling in scenario? Does any one run a grcs with xrings, that can shed some light?
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Kevin, great question. If you are constantly pulling with a GRCS to lift things, then use blocks instead. It will crank faster and you will lift more.

If say your removal is typically 20% lifting and tip tying and 80% just lowering, then the rings are great the entire time.
We use a GRCS and I tip tie and crank things to the rigging point quite often. About that 20% in a removal I think. I use all rings for that.

IF I have a scenario, where the rigging point is ONLY going to be lifting or pulling something to itself, then I put in a block. I used my DMM block this past fall and a groundman couldn't believe I asked for it. Blocks have a use still; now and then.

I might use a block 5 days out of the year now. Mainly it's used for pulling over a whole tree and used as a redirect to the skid loader or truck.

I used to use blocks probably averaging 3 days a week for most of my career. seriously, I probably used blocks 150 days a year, now I use them about 5 days a year.

In August's X video, those logs that were cranked to the rigging point was all with rings and GRCS. I would never have a block on a job like that. All rings, GRCS, Hobbs and THT, oh and another little item I don't want to get into yet.

The X video was "banned" due to copyright music and August re-did it with legal music for facebook and added sound effects. It's not the same and the "boom" noises on impacts really trick your brain into thinking it was harder hits than it really was. I don't like the boom noises, because it's drama that wasn't there, but ......

I had started a remake of the video too myself, with more my style of music and added scenes (with August's permission). IF it passes his approval when I'm done, I'll post it.

August's X video re-do was a few pages back. Those were rings and GRCS cranking on those logs toward rigging point.
 
KevinS said:
They biggest piece I've lifted/ turned with storm damage we used the truck. But you're right knowing these things could help you plan things better
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When it's ridiculous weight to lift, the rings can get jumpy. A block is definitely best for that. I will always have some blocks. I would not have as many as I do now, if I had rings earlier in my career.

I should lay out a tarp and put my rigging stuff on it for a picture. Some might think I exaggerated and borrowed more friends stuff I bet.

StihlMadds amount would look quite small I think.

It would be fun, but that would waste an hour of my day and I dont' have that right now. Hope to do it. I like this thread and the pictures.
 
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