Vaccine Mandate

What's your opinion?

  • I support Covid-19 vaccine mandates

    Votes: 16 43.2%

  • I support Covid-19 vaccine mandates with an option for weekly testing

    Votes: 1 2.7%

  • I oppose Covid-19 vaccine mandates

    Votes: 8 21.6%

  • I oppose all vaccine mandates

    Votes: 12 32.4%
  • Total voters
    37
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rico said:
Its amazing that in this current version of Merica we allow the minority to rule over the majority on such important matters as public health/safety, gun control, climate change, abortion, protecting voters rights, and the Supreme Court. So much for democracy?
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My impression is that a certain segment doesn't care if you die, unless you haven't yet been born. Then, they care.
 
rico said:
And it appears that their “my body, my choice” mantra only pertains to folks with a scrotum and an adams apple.
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You're making an apples and testicles analogy. "My body, my choice" is for both sexes, it just excludes crotches.
 
rico said:
Its amazing that in this current version of Merica we allow the minority to rule over the majority on such important matters as public health/safety, gun control, climate change, abortion, protecting voters rights, and the Supreme Court. So much for democracy?
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Whats truely amazing is after 4 years of the biggest threat to our freedom, the most morally bankrupt and corrupt president this country has ever seen, Trump, these people stand by and say nothing. But know they are told to put on a mask and get a shot and they flip out and insist there freedom is in jeopardy.
 
owScott said:
Whats truely amazing is after 4 years of the biggest threat to our freedom, the most morally bankrupt and corrupt president this country has ever seen, Trump, these people stand by and say nothing. But know they are told to put on a mask and get a shot and they flip out and insist there freedom is in jeopardy.
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Violently trying to overthrow the 2020 election. Yawn

Masks and vaccines. Bring the fucking outrage.
 
Frankie 1 said:
It is apparent that this is a double bind situation (lose lose) and may be what the orchestrators desire to further wreck the USA economy, ie folk vehemently opposed to mandatory vaxx walking off jobs leaving shortages in critical areas and infrastructure at a critical time in the “economic recovery”. When viewed from this prism it is truly a diabolical plan and one that must have been planned , with every outcome/response anticipated beforehand. It really makes one wonder what these Staffers know that make them quit rather than take the jab. Strange times
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One of the most common arguments I hear against the idea that this is all planned is that no one has the resources. The two companies that own almost every other company including Big Pharma, social media giants, etc control 1/3 of the worlds free capital, estimated at $35 Trilion dollars. That is enough to accomplish almost anything, particularly if surreptitiously…
Dan Cobb said:
One hospital is "all jobs"? Personally, I wish all hospital staff were vaccinated. It might have prevented my 97 y.o. father from contracting covid while he was recently hospitalized for an unrelated illness. I also wish hospitals required staff to wear N95s.
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sorry a bit facetious to say ‘One hospital is “all jobs”?’ isnt it? It’s an indicator of a far larger problem that does exist in many sectors and isn’t reported at all in MSM.

My uncle just spent two days in a corridor in hospital, unattended, after being emergency evacuated from a remote location due to some risky health signs and symptoms, and got one small cup of water in that time, and no further attention due to the nurse and doctor shortage. I do not blame nurses and doctors for not being intimidated into having a potential euthanasia shot, or maiming shot, that mandated constitutes a was crime. I blame the Socialist and Communist elements in the health system demanding this if our critical health workers.

you put an onus on them to have a jab because your father got Covid in a hospital with other potential carrier patients, when the manufacturers themselves explicitly state that the vaccination Does Not prevent transmission, and studies say that vaccinated people have up to 250x the viral load in their oral/nasal cavities. Sorry that is cognitive dissonance, get off MSM and read some more.
 
Chaplain242 said:
One of the most common arguments I hear against the idea that this is all planned is that no one has the resources. The two companies that own almost every other company including Big Pharma, social media giants, etc control 1/3 of the worlds free capital, estimated at $35 Trilion dollars. That is enough to accomplish almost anything, particularly if surreptitiously…

Scary isn’t it ? Not exactly vaccine related but an interesting video from a MD who is quite the interesting and knowledgeable fellow. Anyone still whining about tinfoil hats and conspiracy theory needs to realize this isn’t 2020 anymore! ...
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That study shows that viral loads of breakthrough Delta variant cases were higher than those of infected back at the beginning of the epidemic. Which is what you would expect. And it's among hospital workers in unventilated offices in Ho Chi Minh City that weren't wearing masks and were immunized with the AstraZeneca vaccine. The authors stress the necessity of social distancing even if vaccinated.
 
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Chaplain242 said:
childrenshealthdefense.org

Study: Fully Vaccinated Healthcare Workers Carry 251 Times Viral Load, Pose Threat to Unvaccinated Patients, Co-Workers

A preprint paper by the prestigious Oxford University Clinical Research Group, published Aug. 10 in The Lancet, found vaccinated individuals carry 251 times the load of COVID-19 viruses in their nostrils compared to the unvaccinated.
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Go to the ‘study’ link, and go to line 251
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or we could look at some of the other studies linked in the article you posted-

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261295v1.full.pdf

Conclusion- "The mRNA vaccines are highly effective at preventing symptomatic and severe COVID-19 associated 47 with B.1.617.2 infection. Vaccination is associated with faster decline in viral RNA load and a robust 48 serological response. Vaccination remains a key strategy for control of COVID-19 pandemic"

http://www.oucru.org/our-preprint-a...-among-vaccinated-healthcare-workers-vietnam/

"There is overwhelming evidence for the effectiveness of vaccines in preventing severe disease and death from COVID-19. Our study provides no evidence to the contrary. We strongly endorse vaccination as a critical tool against COVID-19 and the terrible consequences of the pandemic."



And meanwhile here in Merica our hospitals and ICU'S are being filled up with the UNVACCINATED...You or Frankie care to explain? And please spare us the "lame stream media" conspiratorial nonsense.
 
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Chaplain242 said:
One of the most common arguments I hear against the idea that this is all planned is that no one has the resources. The two companies that own almost every other company including Big Pharma, social media giants, etc control 1/3 of the worlds free capital, estimated at $35 Trilion dollars. That is enough to accomplish almost anything, particularly if surreptitiously…

sorry a bit facetious to say ‘One hospital is “all jobs”?’ isnt it? It’s an indicator of a far larger problem that does exist in many sectors and isn’t reported at all in MSM.

My uncle just spent two days in a corridor in hospital, unattended, after being emergency evacuated from a remote location due to some risky health signs and symptoms, and got one small cup of water in that time, and no further attention due to the nurse and doctor shortage. I do not blame nurses and doctors for not being intimidated into having a potential euthanasia shot, or maiming shot, that mandated constitutes a was crime. I blame the Socialist and Communist elements in the health system demanding this if our critical health workers.

you put an onus on them to have a jab because your father got Covid in a hospital with other potential carrier patients, when the manufacturers themselves explicitly state that the vaccination Does Not prevent transmission, and studies say that vaccinated people have up to 250x the viral load in their oral/nasal cavities. Sorry that is cognitive dissonance, get off MSM and read some more.
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A health care work without a vaxx seems like a tree guy without PPE. Sorry for your uncles suffering. Sounds more like the problem was the hospital was full and short of nurses because they were over ran treating the unvaxxed. Nurses arent in short supply just that there is an overdemand. Many hospitals are offering crazy pay for travelling nurses so they follow the money. Please dont link some cherry picked article about how nurses are leaving in droves because they are bening forced to vaxx. No one is saying vaccines PREVENT transmission, they are saying it substanually REDUCES your chance of contracting the virus and getting seriously ill if you do. If you get hit with a big enough piece of wood you will still get hurt if you are wearing a hard hat, so in your thinking if it doesnt entirely protect your from all head injuries why wear a hard hat at all. You anti vaxx crowd keep making this all or nothing arguement. You see I didnt need to post some cherry picked article that makes my point, just common sense. Stop chasing the google train around the internet and start thinking what you are saying. You are starting with a conclusion that you want and working backwards grabbing straws that fit into your narative.
 
owScott said:
A health care work without a vaxx seems like a tree guy without PPE. Sorry for your uncles suffering. Sounds more like the problem was the hospital was full and short of nurses because they were over ran treating the unvaxxed. Nurses arent in short supply just that there is an overdemand. Many hospitals are offering crazy pay for travelling nurses so they follow the money. Please dont link some cherry picked article about how nurses are leaving in droves because they are bening forced to vaxx. No one is saying vaccines PREVENT transmission, they are saying it substanually REDUCES your chance of contracting the virus and getting seriously ill if you do. If you get hit with a big enough piece of wood you will still get hurt if you are wearing a hard hat, so in your thinking if it doesnt entirely protect your from all head injuries why wear a hard hat at all. You anti vaxx crowd keep making this all or nothing arguement. You see I didnt need to post some cherry picked article that makes my point, just common sense. Stop chasing the google train around the internet and start thinking what you are saying. You are starting with a conclusion that you want and working backwards grabbing straws that fit into your narative.
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After an extensive google box search I couldn't find a single link to support my hypothesis that it is actually the FULLY VACCINATED that are filling up our hospitals and ICU's..
 
Tuebor said:
That study shows that viral loads of breakthrough Delta variant cases were higher than those of infected back at the beginning of the epidemic. Which is what you would expect. And it's among hospital workers in unventilated offices in Ho Chi Minh City that weren't wearing masks and were immunized with the AstraZeneca vaccine. The authors stress the necessity of social distancing even if vaccinated.
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The breakthrough are the vaccinated, the previously infected are the ones that have the immunity from prior infection, unvaccinated.
 
rico said:
After an extensive google box search I couldn't find a single link to support my hypothesis that it is actually the FULLY VACCINATED that are filling up our hospitals and ICU's..
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What do you make of this? Will vaccines save the day?

www.beckershospitalreview.com

Nearly 60% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in Israel fully vaccinated, data shows - Becker's Hospital Review | Healthcare News & Analysis

Of 514 patients in Israel hospitalized with COVID-19 as of Aug. 15, 59 percent were fully vaccinated, according to an Aug. 16 report from Science, citing a study from Israel's largest HMO. The figures suggest breakthrough infections may be more common than the term implies.
www.beckershospitalreview.com www.beckershospitalreview.com
 
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