Vaccine Mandate

What's your opinion?

  • I support Covid-19 vaccine mandates

    Votes: 16 43.2%
  • I support Covid-19 vaccine mandates with an option for weekly testing

    Votes: 1 2.7%
  • I oppose Covid-19 vaccine mandates

    Votes: 8 21.6%
  • I oppose all vaccine mandates

    Votes: 12 32.4%

  • Total voters
    37
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It’s the old “if we can just save one life” mantra, folks are great ones for this line of thinking. Trouble is , they do not do the necessary cost/benefit analysis required to determine if the course of action is viable in the long run- lockdowns now proven to be the largest blunder in history. The governments around the world most definitely have went from 2 weeks to flatten the curve to total eradication of the the virus , you and I matter not ... How else can you explain Australia shutting down a city of 8 million people for ONE case of cervesza-bug? Do not be deceived, tyranny is happening “over there” at an unbelievable progression, it won’t be long before it makes its way here and the “vaxx mandates” are greasing the skids for this to occur. It was all “conspiracy theory” just 18months ago - well it’s happening right now right under our noses. I often wondered how in the hell did people in the past did not “see” what the hell was going on when tyranny once again reared it’s ugly head. Now I understand, you see, it is done slowly over time using propaganda to convince folk 2+2=5. Just like Jones and the kool-aide on a micro and nazi Germany on a macro scale.
I do not believe it to be blunder or failure to calculate cost. The international IHR agreement seems to be driving the policies worldwide with 190+ signatories in 106 countries.
 
For those that think the science is settled on the Vaccination policy

I’ve come across this during research. Good stuff and an fine example of a viewpoint that never seems to air on the MSM - I guess it just doesn’t fit the narrative they want people to believe. When you thoroughly research a topic , either by library , internet or human expert knowledge, as opposed to mindlessly parroting what the idiot box tells you to think, you discover new viewpoints and ways of looking at the issue. While some sources are “out there” and need to be taken with a grain of salt and/or discarded work needs to be done in order to know what is really going on. If you do not do the research and consider all points you are only cheating yourself
 
I do not believe it to be blunder or failure to calculate cost. The international IHR agreement seems to be driving the policies worldwide with 190+ signatories in 106 countries.
Yah , and these people who are driving policies are unelected bureaucrats. Where were the opposing scientific views when we decided to “lock down” last March hmm? I didn’t see that debate either, one would think something of that magnitude would be debated . Do folks not realize that we lost almost 11% of our GDP (for comparison during 1918 Spainish Flu GDP declined 3-4% no lockdown and way more devastating in terms of deaths ) and that without 4-5 trillion of deficit spending we would have lost 25% of GDP and be in a greater depression? Oh but you’re gonna PAY thru the zu-zu now because of the inflation. Just the other day I was shopping and a pack of 4 strip steaks that were around $20 back in sept 2019 are now $50.
 
Weird how the hospitals aren’t filled with people suffering from side effects of the vaccine though. 77% get at least one side effect from the vaccine , all I got was a runny nose


“ I did my own research” = “ I used google to seek out off the wall views that align with my own, and anything learned or observed by using the scientific method will not change my mind, no matter how conclusive. I’m already invested in this viewpoint and I’m not good at admitting that I was ever wrong.” Maybe you might want to try duck duck go to research , it’s not censored like google
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-domestic-propaganda-officially-aired-2013-7?amp ... Yeppers , 35 years of legal propaganda pumped into the soft heads of Americans. Perception is based on information received. Seems like either uninformed or misinformed , kinda like the double bind lose/lose situation we all seem to find ourselves in presently ☠️
 
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Yah , and these people who are driving policies are unelected bureaucrats. Where were the opposing scientific views when we decided to “lock down” last March hmm? I didn’t see that debate either, one would think something of that magnitude would be debated . Do folks not realize that we lost almost 11% of our GDP (for comparison during 1918 Spainish Flu GDP declined 3-4% no lockdown and way more devastating in terms of deaths ) and that without 4-5 trillion of deficit spending we would have lost 25% of GDP and be in a greater depression? Oh but you’re gonna PAY thru the zu-zu now because of the inflation. Just the other day I was shopping and a pack of 4 strip steaks that were around $20 back in sept 2019 are now $50.
Agree with much if what you were saying, just one exception. The bailout was not instigated by the pandemic. The first week of lockdowns in the Western world corresponded with the collapse of the Repo Market (Or Repurchase Agreement market) - the method by which banks transfer assets to continue operating.

This collapse was preludes by a trigger event (overnight stoppage) back in September 2019, and bailed out by the US government.

The March collapse was (as I understand it) due to to the failure of treasuries today be accepted as secure enough to pay 10% return on whomever bought them. Also the week that the loans issued during the 2008 Sub-Prime crisis were due to be repaid, and the institutions couldn’t.

Of course the Bailouts have continued throughout 2020 and 2021 because of the ‘pandemic’ (and not because of the imminent collapse of the markets) to the tune of approx $5 Trillion and running… could be more by now as haven’t looked for a while at the astronomical amounts of Government debt. This is in addition to the two or so Billion in bailouts that was spent securing the institutions approx in 2014, 2015 and 2018 (I have to check those dates as been a little while since I read the relevant articles)

This also pushes the past the debt ceiling that secures the USD as the reserve currency, and will see the rise of the new reserve currency which will be a literal stew of currencies.
 
You mean the Afghanistan that Trump surrender to the Taliban?
You mean the Afghanistan that Trump swore he was gonna pull all our troops out of?
The Afghanistan that Biden pulled the personnel out of Baghram AFB more than a month before the exit date, removing all air support, and denying the Afghan forces any chance of resisting the Taliban. Not that it mattered since Afghanistan officials already pre-sold US equipment to be used by Afghan army back in 2020 during the ‘cease fire talks’ and which the intelligence services must have known about. Not that it mattered since leaving early allowed $85 Billion worth of military equipment including aircraft, advanced equipment, and drones. Not to mention leaving thousands of Americans as hostages, betraying thousands of Afghans that served the US, and betraying NGO’s and the civilians that westernised still stationed there. Arguably the greatest open act of treason in modern times.

Also resulted in the deaths of servicemen guarding the airport.
 
I agree! The pandemic was used as a smoke screen to usher in what is to follow. Not many see the macro-economics of the situation like you do , which really began in the GFC of 2008 when the QE1 program was launched followed by QE2 etc etc. From my understanding we are now at QE infinity and just like a heroin addict needs his/her fix to function they just cannot stop printing or the whole system will implode. This whole charade is marching us into a CBDC (central bank digital currency) which ticks another box on the road to a very dark place for Joe six-pack. Thanks for fleshing out the timeline, I was aware that many ceos retired en masse sept 2019 but not aware of the trigger event nor the March 2020 treasury situation. It appears you have done your research and know wtf is happening. Most today are living in mass hypnosis/psychosis with a dose of mentacide thrown in for good measure. If they want to believe 2+2=5 then have at it! Just don’t try to force me or others of similar belief to live in that fantasy world
 
It is apparent that this is a double bind situation (lose lose) and may be what the orchestrators desire to further wreck the USA economy, ie folk vehemently opposed to mandatory vaxx walking off jobs leaving shortages in critical areas and infrastructure at a critical time in the “economic recovery”. When viewed from this prism it is truly a diabolical plan and one that must have been planned , with every outcome/response anticipated beforehand. It really makes one wonder what these Staffers know that make them quit rather than take the jab. Strange times
 
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Huh. I guess I was the only vote for option no 2. Feels like it toes the line of personal choice and public health. I guess moderation is out of fashion these days.

It wasn’t specified but I would imagine this option as something the employer pays for and something that continues until vaccination rates in US hit a certain rate to be determined by someone smarter than me. And I think every two weeks would be sufficient.

In our field, working outside, transmission rate is very low especially if we don’t ride in trucks together and space out during lunch. I contract with different crews and feel like I am able to avoid close contact with anyone. Remember when we were all trying to figure out how to sanitize our rigging ropes? Lol eff that
 
The Afghanistan that Biden pulled the personnel out of Baghram AFB more than a month before the exit date, removing all air support, and denying the Afghan forces any chance of resisting the Taliban. Not that it mattered since Afghanistan officials already pre-sold US equipment to be used by Afghan army back in 2020 during the ‘cease fire talks’ and which the intelligence services must have known about. Not that it mattered since leaving early allowed $85 Billion worth of military equipment including aircraft, advanced equipment, and drones. Not to mention leaving thousands of Americans as hostages, betraying thousands of Afghans that served the US, and betraying NGO’s and the civilians that westernised still stationed there. Arguably the greatest open act of treason in modern times.

Also resulted in the deaths of servicemen guarding the airport.
Nice rant buddy, but you forgot to address my 2 points.

In February 2020 Trump did in fact surrender Afghanistan to the Taliban while intentionally excluding the Afghan government and Afghan army from those negotiations, released 5000 imprisoned Taliban soldiers, and set a date certain of May 1 2021 for complete withdrawal of all US service members..

Like most of the Trump presidency it’s very clear that they actually never had an actual plan to actually execute any of this. One has to wonder why?
 
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Huh. I guess I was the only vote for option no 2. Feels like it toes the line of personal choice and public health. I guess moderation is out of fashion these days.

It wasn’t specified but I would imagine this option as something the employer pays for and something that continues until vaccination rates in US hit a certain rate to be determined by someone smarter than me. And I think every two weeks would be sufficient.

In our field, working outside, transmission rate is very low especially if we don’t ride in trucks together and space out during lunch. I contract with different crews and feel like I am able to avoid close contact with anyone. Remember when we were all trying to figure out how to sanitize our rigging ropes? Lol eff that
@Stumpsprouts I don't disagree with moderation but in my field and working environment, a weekly test is nothing more than a loophole. It seems perfectly reasonable for people who work outdoors and who don't routinely interact with others in closed spaces.
 
Because of lies in the number of people affected by vaccines. Just as there were lies and inducements in overinflating Covid numbers.

Many jurisdictions have also gagged doctors form giving informed consent - doctors will lose their medical licence and their practice by discussing anything other than the specified government response line. This is also specified as a war crime in Nuremberg Code.

Thank you for taking the time to make thoughtful responses to questions unlike the other poster here who dribbles on about irrevelant points and conspiracy garbage and doesnt address direct questions. After years of interaction with you I do appreciate your engagement however I do disagree with you regarding this subject. I am sure if I was more computer capable I could find plenty of links to contradict the info you have posted. My arguements follow a line of common sense and reason and are not cherry picked from articles that re enforce my view. You will be on the losing side here just like Trump in his landslide election lose. Time will prove this.
 
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It’s the old “if we can just save one life” mantra, folks are great ones for this line of thinking. Trouble is , they do not do the necessary cost/benefit analysis required to determine if the course of action is viable in the long run- lockdowns now proven to be the largest blunder in history. The governments around the world most definitely have went from 2 weeks to flatten the curve to total eradication of the the virus , you and I matter not ... How else can you explain Australia shutting down a city of 8 million people for ONE case of cervesza-bug? Do not be deceived, tyranny is happening “over there” at an unbelievable progression, it won’t be long before it makes its way here and the “vaxx mandates” are greasing the skids for this to occur. It was all “conspiracy theory” just 18months ago - well it’s happening right now right under our noses. I often wondered how in the hell did people in the past did not “see” what the hell was going on when tyranny once again reared it’s ugly head. Now I understand, you see, it is done slowly over time using propaganda to convince folk 2+2=5. Just like Jones and the kool-aide on a micro and nazi Germany on a macro scale.
Instead of trying to baffle us with $5 dollars words and smart sounding irrevelant jiber jaber how about address the simple fact that the majority of hospitalized people are unvaxxed. Pretty sure your response or lack of one will be predictable.
 
Oh well , One thing I’ve learned over the years is that ya just can’t wake up suet pudding ... Try using a search engine other than google to research your information, it’s censored, monitored and only returns info that reinforces the narrative. Duck duck go (and others) will give a more unbiased search that will allow one to get a more well-rounded perspective on wtf is really going on. Later
 
If there was a 5 year trial done with results that were 75% effective, I would take it. It’s all an experiment right now. We can’t even get a effective flu shot every year which we have studied forever.

My main ground guy got the vaccine two weeks ago so he could go to a concert in NY this month. Next day his arm was swollen and he had a mild fever. Ended up take 5 days off to recover and said it was the worst sickness he has experienced. That’s alone was enough for me to say no thanks! He said his doctors told him he may still get it and spread Covid if he does not wear a mask.

What’s the point?? He had Covid 6 months earlier and he said it was nothing compared to the vaccine.
One of my guys same thing, needed a whole week off, couldn't move. That was shot #1. Have heard many others as well.
 
One of my guys same thing, needed a whole week off, couldn't move. That was shot #1. Have heard many others as well.
Most vaccine will do the same thing. You feel like shit for a few days and then your good to go...

By the way, I love your handle.
 
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