Vaccine Mandate

What's your opinion?

  • I support Covid-19 vaccine mandates

    Votes: 16 43.2%

  • I support Covid-19 vaccine mandates with an option for weekly testing

    Votes: 1 2.7%

  • I oppose Covid-19 vaccine mandates

    Votes: 8 21.6%

  • I oppose all vaccine mandates

    Votes: 12 32.4%
  • Total voters
    37
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Frankie 1 said:
There’s a HUGE difference between being a civilian and signing a contract with the US military forces ... Before that ink is even dry they OWN your ass and if you disobey a vaxx directive (as long as it is within legal bounds) then you face the discipline/discharge. Never recall signing a similar contract with the Gov as a civilian therefore it’s an Apple / Oranges comparison
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Let me simplify my point. When I hear people say it infringes on their freedom to do something very minor, when others sacrifice much more it seems petty. The word freedom today is being twisted to mean I can do anything I want untethered from any responsiblity to anyone or anything. Also didnt see any lawyers around passing out legal advise when they said get your shot which was very minor compared to the other real crap they throw at you. Whether you acknowledge it or not we are lucky to live in a country where we can even have this conversation without penalty and have freedom and that comes with responsibilty a contract if you will.
 
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Tom Dunlap said:
YOur logic falls apart. Look at the 'freedoms' are given up when driving. Licensing, both vehicle and driver, eye tests, seat belts, speed limits. If a point is going to be made about a right the responsibility that goes with that assertion must be considered.

What 'rights' are considered challenged in the workplace? PPE requirements? One handing? making proper collar cuts not stubs and rips?
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I disagree. Everytime you get into a vehicle and drive you take a risk ; we as a society collectively understand that risk and drive anyway. If we were to reduce the speed limit to 5mph than death and serious accidents would be almost non-existent-but that’s not what happens at all and we see this every day . I’m not advocating not having : license , insurance, registration etc and driving drunk / no seatbelt etc although despite the laws and responsibilities some choose to drive illegally , intoxicated and with no insurance - that’s just life in the big city and we’ve been trying to square that circle for years. I don’t look at needing a license, wearing a seatbelt and having insurance and a well-maintained inspected auto as giving up freedom. It’s a necessary reasonable tradeoff that allows society to function - but not without its risks. The difference is you can choose NOT to drive as opposed to being blackmailed/coerced with a no jab / no job situation. Sure you can walk away but what happens when ALL jobs requires vaxx. I mean cmon Tom, we’ve gone from 2 weeks to flatten the curve to mandatory vaxx in just 18 months! This was conspiracy theory and was “never gonna happen” yet here we are and it has happened ... Call me a tinfoil hatter if ya want but 18 months from now this is gonna look like Disneyland. Let’s hope they serve steak in the gulag
 
owScott said:
Let me simplify my point. When I hear people say it infringes on their freedom to do something very minor, when others sacrifice much more it seems petty. The word freedom today is being twisted to mean I can do anything I want untethered from any responsiblity to anyone or anything. Also didnt see any lawyers around passing out legal advise when they said get your shot which was very minor compared to the other real crap they throw at you. Whether you acknowledge it or not we are lucky to live in a country where we can even have this conversation without penalty and have freedom and that comes with responsibilty a contract if you will.
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The freedoms we enjoy today were fought for and many perished to secure them. I’m not disputing that at all and yes we are very blessed to having been born in a country like this. However the real world is changing and not for the better , we are rapidly decending into a very dark evil place. If people want to live in a world where they believe 2+2=5 then hey knock yourself out. (Not being personal just a fig of speech) ..... I live in a world of facts and will never take 5 for the answer , doing so is cowardly,ignorant and in the long run might not be in your best interests
 
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Frankie 1 said:
I disagree. Everytime you get into a vehicle and drive you take a risk ; we as a society collectively understand that risk and drive anyway. If we were to reduce the speed limit to 5mph than death and serious accidents would be almost non-existent-but that’s not what happens at all and we see this every day . I’m not advocating not having : license , insurance, registration etc and driving drunk / no seatbelt etc although despite the laws and responsibilities some choose to drive illegally , intoxicated and with no insurance - that’s just life in the big city and we’ve been trying to square that circle for years. I don’t look at needing a license, wearing a seatbelt and having insurance and a well-maintained inspected auto as giving up freedom. It’s a necessary reasonable tradeoff that allows society to function - but not without its risks. The difference is you can choose NOT to drive as opposed to being blackmailed/coerced with a no jab / no job situation. Sure you can walk away but what happens when ALL jobs requires vaxx. I mean cmon Tom, we’ve gone from 2 weeks to flatten the curve to mandatory vaxx in just 18 months! This was conspiracy theory and was “never gonna happen” yet here we are and it has happened ... Call me a tinfoil hatter if ya want but 18 months from now this is gonna look like Disneyland. Let’s hope they serve steak in the gulag
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I say this in the most respectful way possible, alot of what you are saying here contradicts your perspective, not relavent and hard to track. I draw your attetion to this statement. " Its a necesary reasonable tradeoffthat allows society to function- but not without risks." How is a vaccine different from a seat belt and other requirements. If you are basing your objection on a freedom issue then there is no difference.
 
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Frankie 1 said:
The freedoms we enjoy today were fought for and many perished to secure them. I’m not disputing that at all and yes we are very blessed to having been born in a country like this. However the real world is changing and not for the better , we are rapidly decending into a very dark evil place. If people want to live in a world where they believe 2+2=5 then hey knock yourself out. (Not being personal just a fig of speech) ..... I live in a world of facts and will never take 5 for the answer , doing so is cowardly,ignorant and in the long run might not be in your best interests
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Nothing personal here just a lively conversation. In your view vaccines are not the solution to ending this pandemic?Science says they are, to say other wise is yor example of 2+2=5.
 
Who said all jobs will require vaccination? And did you forget about the option for weekly testing? There are options and alternatives; use your freedom to choose what suits you.

Not driving is about on par with not working for a majority of people.
 
Why wouldn’t all jobs eventually require the vaxx and or boosters ? After all, that seems like the direction we are heading. Weekly testing at WHO’s expense ? And for how long ? Years ? Why isn’t natural immunity brought into the conversation? Other countries allow for it. Too many red flags / goalpost moves for this to be on the up and up
 
Frankie 1 said:
I disagree. Everytime you get into a vehicle and drive you take a risk ; we as a society collectively understand that risk and drive anyway. If we were to reduce the speed limit to 5mph than death and serious accidents would be almost non-existent-but that’s not what happens at all and we see this every day . I’m not advocating not having : license , insurance, registration etc and driving drunk / no seatbelt etc although despite the laws and responsibilities some choose to drive illegally , intoxicated and with no insurance - that’s just life in the big city and we’ve been trying to square that circle for years. I don’t look at needing a license, wearing a seatbelt and having insurance and a well-maintained inspected auto as giving up freedom. It’s a necessary reasonable tradeoff that allows society to function - but not without its risks. The difference is you can choose NOT to drive as opposed to being blackmailed/coerced with a no jab / no job situation. Sure you can walk away but what happens when ALL jobs requires vaxx. I mean cmon Tom, we’ve gone from 2 weeks to flatten the curve to mandatory vaxx in just 18 months! This was conspiracy theory and was “never gonna happen” yet here we are and it has happened ... Call me a tinfoil hatter if ya want but 18 months from now this is gonna look like Disneyland. Let’s hope they serve steak in the gulag
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The vaccine IS your insurance policy in your analogy, silly….
 
Frankie 1 said:
Why wouldn’t all jobs eventually require the vaxx and or boosters ? After all, that seems like the direction we are heading. Weekly testing at WHO’s expense ? And for how long ? Years ? Why isn’t natural immunity brought into the conversation? Other countries allow for it. Too many red flags / goalpost moves for this to be on the up and up
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Speaking of moving the goal posts, are you interested in responding to any of my questions derived from your own words?
 
Frankie 1 said:
Why wouldn’t all jobs eventually require the vaxx and or boosters ? After all, that seems like the direction we are heading. Weekly testing at WHO’s expense ? And for how long ? Years ? Why isn’t natural immunity brought into the conversation? Other countries allow for it. Too many red flags / goalpost moves for this to be on the up and up
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Most jobs eventually will require vaxx because your arguement is a losing arguement on many fronts, this will be your proof. Because reasonable people will give up trying to reason with these exact arguements you are making. People are exercising their rights to not be made sick by people who are exercising their right to not protect themselves and others. You have jumped on this "this violates my freedom" bandwagon completely devoid of scientific facts the 2+2=5 effect if you will. Get vaxx move on.
 
owScott said:
Nothing personal here just a lively conversation. In your view vaccines are not the solution to ending this pandemic?Science says they are, to say other wise is yor example of 2+2=5.
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This coronavirus belongs to the family of 7 coronaviruses , which includes the common-cold. Spending hundreds of hours of painstaking research using many resources including Nobel prize winning scientists and in the process exponentially increasing my knowledge of the medical , virological and pharmaceutical systems (good and not so good) I can tell you in good faith and to the best of my knowledge that no virus with an animal reservoir has ever, nor can be, eradicated - vaxx be damned and any science that says otherwise is fraudulent! It is with us now, just like the common cold which as we all know , cannot be cured. In fact, by vaccinating (gene therapy to be scientifically correct) now we may be creating a 10-headed hydra. These vaccines are not sterilizing vaccines rather they are “leaky” vaccines.
 
Frankie 1 said:
This coronavirus belongs to the family of 7 coronaviruses , which includes the common-cold. Spending hundreds of hours of painstaking research using many resources including Nobel prize winning scientists and in the process exponentially increasing my knowledge of the medical , virological and pharmaceutical systems (good and not so good) I can tell you in good faith and to the best of my knowledge that no virus with an animal reservoir has ever, nor can be, eradicated - vaxx be damned and any science that says otherwise is fraudulent! It is with us now, just like the common cold which as we all know , cannot be cured. In fact, by vaccinating (gene therapy to be scientifically correct) now we may be creating a 10-headed hydra. These vaccines are not sterilizing vaccines rather they are “leaky” vaccines.
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So the old if you cant solve a problem entirely then dont do anything to reduce it arguement. So why are 95% of covid cases that are in the hospital unvaxx people. Why are vaxxed people not going to the hospital at such drastically reduced levels? I or nobody here has said the goal of vaccines is to eradicate the virus just that vaccines drastically reduce your chance of catching it and getting very sick if you do. Once again you make an irrelevant point. This conversation isnt about if vaccines erradicating the virus rather controlling the spread. You see I addressed your post directly, thats how this should work. I do appreciate your engagement though.
 
Dan Cobb said:
Who said all jobs will require vaccination? And did you forget about the option for weekly testing? There are options and alternatives; use your freedom to choose what suits you.

Not driving is about on par with not working for a majority of people.
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owScott said:
Nothing personal here just a lively conversation. In your view vaccines are not the solution to ending this pandemic?Science says they are, to say other wise is yor example of 2+2=5.
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Just wait for the consequences:

 
owScott said:
So the old if you cant solve a problem entirely then dont do anything to reduce it arguement. So why are 95% of covid cases that are in the hospital unvaxx people. Why are vaxxed people not going to the hospital at such drastically reduced levels? I or nobody here has said the goal of vaccines is to eradicate the virus just that vaccines drastically reduce your chance of catching it and getting very sick if you do. Once again you make an irrelevant point. This conversation isnt about if vaccines erradicating the virus rather controlling the spread. You see I addressed your post directly, thats how this should work. I do appreciate your engagement though.
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Because of lies in the number of people affected by vaccines. Just as there were lies and inducements in overinflating Covid numbers.

Many jurisdictions have also gagged doctors form giving informed consent - doctors will lose their medical licence and their practice by discussing anything other than the specified government response line. This is also specified as a war crime in Nuremberg Code.

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Now doctors are being threatened with the loss of their license if they fail to toe the line of mainstream medicine on how to prevent and treat COVID. The Federation of State Medical Boards (FSMB) recently announced that doctors who “spread COVID-19 vaccine misinformation” risk disciplinary...
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It’s the old “if we can just save one life” mantra, folks are great ones for this line of thinking. Trouble is , they do not do the necessary cost/benefit analysis required to determine if the course of action is viable in the long run- lockdowns now proven to be the largest blunder in history. The governments around the world most definitely have went from 2 weeks to flatten the curve to total eradication of the the virus , you and I matter not ... How else can you explain Australia shutting down a city of 8 million people for ONE case of cervesza-bug? Do not be deceived, tyranny is happening “over there” at an unbelievable progression, it won’t be long before it makes its way here and the “vaxx mandates” are greasing the skids for this to occur. It was all “conspiracy theory” just 18months ago - well it’s happening right now right under our noses. I often wondered how in the hell did people in the past did not “see” what the hell was going on when tyranny once again reared it’s ugly head. Now I understand, you see, it is done slowly over time using propaganda to convince folk 2+2=5. Just like Jones and the kool-aide on a micro and nazi Germany on a macro scale.
 
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