tripping a widow maker

Daniel,

I hope that you get some good marketing value out of your various videos. You seemingly put considerable effort into making them, and if you are using an outside editor, possibly some extra bucks beyond the extra time that it takes to shoot them and edit them.

Marketing is an important part of a business owner's many jobs. Sometimes fun, but sometimes just work.

It would be interesting to see (in its own thread) what various people are doing for marketing, especially videos. I think that we have seen some of the bad examples from the yellowpages.com tree topping services that people have posted. I would imagine that we could put together some good stuff, and it would be cool if people wanted to post.
 
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Tom,
A cable skidder (On this job) pulls the wood to the landing via spur trails (think tributary), to a main trail then takes them to a landing where they are processed to length and trucked off accordingly.
I am a subcontractor feller. I have no connection with the machinery. I am there to fell trees that are painted with a blue spot by a forester. I fell them in the most efficient (in theory) manner to leave the least amount of residual stand damage, and be accessable by cable from the skidders winch, operated by someone else...
Cable skidders are used on terrain that other machines cannot reach cos of the topography (steep hills etc), the cable can be dragged to log from up to 75 feet away and then chained and winched to the arch of the skidder.
So we are working on pretty variable terrain, in Vermont it is very rare to be hand felling timber on flat ground (because of machine accessability), so we hand fallers are up on the stuff they cant get. So yeah I would say its pretty typical for the area.
I appreciate suggestions, I think that I will start looking at my situations a bit differently and think about the possibility of incorporating a fiddle block. I do carry a small daypack. I am worried about time wasting... But will try and put into active thought and see how many times a day I could actually really need it. Seems about once... but I'll see.

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Yeah, I suppose VT is mostly steep hills and rocky terrain. Thanks for the clear explanation and pic. I've spent some time up there, so really I should know better. Just never really felled timber in the woods before, nevermind in the mountains.

-Tom
 
Tom, no problem. I love doing tree work, but being able to let loose out in the woods a couple days a week is good for my brain, and I can yell and scream and swear all I want...
Guess I derailed the hell out of this thread huh, oh well. Better go hang up some more trees.
peace
 
I put this video together on a rainy morning to show some more examples of the benefits and use of the plunged vertical snap cut. The 3 trees here are large, 26-33” DBH, with the first ash being well over 100’ tall. Also note the very first short clip is a slow motion replay of the still camera shot of the “tripping a widowmaker” video on the hung tulip spar. Many viewers thought the drop caught me as unanticipated. That is a misinterpretation. It was really the cameraman who was not ready for the drop. His camera motion was quite sudden and jerky. However the still camera reveals the calm, cool, and collected look on my face as the piece drops and I step back and look up.
Also note at 3:42, on the slow motion replay of the second cut on the big ash drop, you can see a large hanger falling just after the piece drops. It is these and other overhead hazards that pose the greatest threat to the faller, and NOT the “spear cut” butt of the dropping tree. As long as the piece is not tip heavy, the butt will fall reliably straight down, and slightly forward, away from the faller.
Also note that leaving a top strap does little to slow the piece down when it is attached to the stump. It is only after the tree is off the stump that both sides of the cut can move and allow the tree to rip down in a slower movement. There it is a judgment call as to how much top strap to leave, depending on the forces affecting the drop and the characteristics of the wood fibers. I was forced to release all the trips on the ash and beech, by cutting the top straps, as I had left too much wood on the top straps in those cuts. Note however, that this is still acceptable and puts the faller in no more danger that tripping it from the bottom. On the second cut of the large ash, you can clearly see I was able to actually take a step back from the tree when I reached up to release the top strap with a high cut. Releasing the top strap by making top cut from one side, then the other, rather than reaching from one side, allows the faller to stand just a little farther back from the tree.
Also notice that one of the best benefits of this technique is that it prevents the bar from getting pinched, no matter how the forces are causing tension and compression in the wood fibers. And it is just faster and easier than using many other suggested methods. I’d love to see a video demonstration of a face and backcut with wedges, or key cut on trees this big and heavy (or any other recommended method). Words are cheap. Put up some video and show your recommended methods in action.
The only down side I can see to this technique is the tendency of the saw to kick back a bit during the plunge, especially as the tree gets straighter. That is why it is important to get used to plunging on simple bucking and falling cuts. This is not the time to learn to use the plunge. Also note, I have refined my cutting technique a bit since some of these cuts were made, and would not cut them quite the same today, though the basic merits of the technique are still well demonstrated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0j69NCIKfw
 
What hapopened to all the loud mouths?

Cat got your tongues?

Not a peep from even Sean here...

Look at that ... shut you all up!!!

That's doing something.. for real..

Now let's hear it....

HA HA...
 
Cuz, like i've said earlier, you have a perfect, correct answer for everything...

I ask you this- When leaving the stump, like you do in numerous, glorious videos; why do you turn your back and walk/jog/run away?!

I'd like to refer to 'cuttin trees 1' and take a look at just the first minute. A good example of bad cutting technique. I will give it to you that, occasionally, you take a look back and up to see the tree... However, a tree coming back at you only takes a fraction of a second for it to bite you. Plunging, non-lay person cuts don't mean sh!t when you're dead. End of discussion.
 
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What hapopened to all the loud mouths?

Cat got your tongues?

Not a peep from even Sean here...

Look at that ... shut you all up!!!

That's doing something.. for real..

Now let's hear it....

HA HA...

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I think what's hapopening is that no one cares to waste any more time on your narcisistic videos.

You're a joke with a bad punchline. Kinda like Carrot Top.

SZ
 
I think what's hapopening is that no one cares to waste any more time trying to help increase YOUR safety factor.
"You can lead a horse to water..."

Or maybe it's because the honest, serious question of someone you know nothing about is met with a condescending judgemental tone: "loud mouth young punk."

BTW: If you and your techniques are so revolutionary why isn't Arbormaster on the phone??
 
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Right on que,
Here comes a loud mouth young punk that don't know enough to keep his mouth shut...

HA HA

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Come on Daniel,

You have to be a bigger man than this.
 
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What hapopened to all the loud mouths?

Cat got your tongues?

Not a peep from even Sean here...

Look at that ... shut you all up!!!

That's doing something.. for real..

Now let's hear it....

HA HA...

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I saw this wording and it caught my eye, but I don't want to review any more of your videos.

besides, most of us loud mouths are busy doing work and don't have time to view your videos.

Also, I'm tired of watching your ...... I edited off the rest of this line. I got mad at Daniel acting like he had such a good video and that that was why no one was commenting. So I wrote back a personal negative comment about his looks. This is not supposed to be posted on treebuzz. I am moderating myself, no one asked me to remove it.
 
That Bend Or. was a nice cover BUT!

You are SO OBVIOUSLY Holly...

Still talking crap with a bad attitude... Call yourself a contract climber, but if you were any good you wouldn't have had to get a day job.

You're bringing up a video over a year old. Where did that come from?.. Haven't heard a word about the technique in question from anyone..

Even Sean is speachless, because the plunge is clearly superior to his USFS training.. C'mon Sean.. MAN UP.. or PUT UP... You can't though, casue you've never even tried your boy scout method on a big tree.


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Cuz, like i've said earlier, you have a perfect, correct answer for everything...

I ask you this- When leaving the stump, like you do in numerous, glorious videos; why do you turn your back and walk/jog/run away?!

I'd like to refer to 'cuttin trees 1' and take a look at just the first minute. A good example of bad cutting technique. I will give it to you that, occasionally, you take a look back and up to see the tree... However, a tree coming back at you only takes a fraction of a second for it to bite you. Plunging, non-lay person cuts don't mean sh!t when you're dead. End of discussion.

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Sorry to bust your bubble daniel, not who you think I am... I actually am from Hawaii, live and work in Bend these days. Generally very mellow and try get along with most people. I am on this board to simply learn and expand my knowledge base and advance my career through the inputs and ideas of others, that being thoughtful discussion and discourse.

however, you still haven't answered my simple question. Is there a reason you turn your back when walking away from a falling tree?

I see it as a major hazard and violation of basic cutting procedures and merely am using this as a platform to point it out. Something as simple as walking with your back turned to a stump can lead to deadly consequences. Maybe by gulping down a little ego you could brush up on some techniques that may fall by the wayside over the years and not take it as a personal flaming.
 
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That Bend Or. was a nice cover BUT!

You are SO OBVIOUSLY Holly...

Still talking crap with a bad attitude... Call yourself a contract climber, but if you were any good you wouldn't have had to get a day job.

You're bringing up a video over a year old. Where did that come from?.. Haven't heard a word about the technique in question from anyone..

Even Sean is speachless, because the plunge is clearly superior to his USFS training.. C'mon Sean.. MAN UP.. or PUT UP... You can't though, casue you've never even tried your boy scout method on a big tree.


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Cuz, like i've said earlier, you have a perfect, correct answer for everything...

I ask you this- When leaving the stump, like you do in numerous, glorious videos; why do you turn your back and walk/jog/run away?!

I'd like to refer to 'cuttin trees 1' and take a look at just the first minute. A good example of bad cutting technique. I will give it to you that, occasionally, you take a look back and up to see the tree... However, a tree coming back at you only takes a fraction of a second for it to bite you. Plunging, non-lay person cuts don't mean sh!t when you're dead. End of discussion.

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Dan, what's happened to you? your isolating yourself.

Please stop with your self-indulgent shite.

As for X-man's 'Down's Syndrome' comment, that's the worst thing I've heard on Treebuzz. Its the kind of thing a SS guard at a Nazi concentration camp would have laughed at.
 
That's an unacceptable derail..

STICK TO THE SUBJECT!!!

Or go back and find the thread of the video you mention and bring up your question there...

And don't tell me you're not Holly.. No one shows up on a forum and starts giving crap like that in 14 posts.
 
haha, sorry, really not holly.
not giving crap either (and i apologize if i came off that way. the internet has a funny way of twisting words) just pointed out a simple, easily remedied error that seemed relevant and asked you about it.

it doesnt matter about the number of posts either... i have introduced myself to this board publicly and hope to integrate as a respected community member eventually. Also, as i said before, hope to continue to learn and grow in the field as a climbing arborist.
 
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That's an unacceptable derail..

STICK TO THE SUBJECT!!!

Or go back and find the thread of the video you mention and bring up your question there...

And don't tell me you're not Holly.. No one shows up on a forum and starts giving crap like that in 14 posts.

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Does this really have to continue?

Okay, I couldn't resist.

You can look up IP address information on many websites Daniel.

If you click on that link, you notice it says Washington. But, that doesn't throw me off either. Because the major internet providers could very well route their junk through different locations (besides a users immediate/physical location). My IP address says I'm near Greeley, CO. Which is about 40 miles from my home.

Daniel. Your IP address info says Mt. Laurel, PA.

Really thought.......
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