This is the Akimbo

@yoyoman has, several times:

@FluffyFish, remember, you're talking to a bunch of neanderthals (myself included) who regularly overload ropes in ways that would make an ewok blush. These guys drive 25,999 lb trucks to the job site and then carry their gear to the tree with either mini skidsteers or Sherpas...er...groundsmen. Having been forced to hump large loads long distances, I know where you're coming from... but this is one of those cases where there's a trade off. A 10, or better 11 or 11.7mm rope is going to be better for the climbing part of your excursion.
Combining SRT and Ddrt is powerful. Getting 60' to 100' of reep schnur http://www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?category_id=127&item=2071, 10mm husky http://www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?category_id=259&item=3472, Sampson prussik http://www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?category_id=127&item=270, ocean poly http://www.treestuff.com/store/catalog.asp?category_id=127&item=1431, kernmaster, fly (dragonfly looks siiiiick), bandit, blaze, tendril, or my favorite, velocity, will give you way more flexibility with very little extra weight. You can use them Ddrt (I'd hate to try pulling on 9mm, and it's not really safe with static lines), or Ddrt the tail of canopy anchored SRT and use you 9mm as the retrieval leg, or tie the thicker rope on the working side and use your 9mm on the anchor side of a basal anchor SRT setup (check out @moss 's releasable base anchors... with caution.)
you could also set up a "deda" or "motion" lanyard like this: https://www.flickr.com/photos/naturejournal/75300514/ (also via @moss), or set up a tail lanyard: https://www.newtribe.com/documents/tip3.htm. Plus, you can use all of those ropes with the multicenders.
I would also suggest trying a rope wrench system with a boatsnap or shizzl to tend Slack instead of a pulley for an ultralight SRT system. As far as rope walking light weight, it's hard to beat a foot ascender and an over-the-shoulder bungie knee ascender (https://4srt.co.uk/home/products/4srt-standard-knee-ascender-setup/). you can even steal the ascender for a limb walk 3:1 when you need it, and if you already have the ascender, it's cheap and easy to build.

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TimBr said:
Hey, @Koda7225, welcome to the TreeBuzz forum. Congratulations on making your first post, also.

No disrespect intended at all with what I'm about to say. I think if you haven't already done it, you should go back and read the entirety of this thread, and possibly the similar thread on the TreeHouse forum.

Jaime Merritt has been sweating bullets over the design of this device for a very long time. I think the design phase is over with now, and things are moving in the direction of mass production by one of the best climbing gear companies on the planet. I'm not sure how long it will take for it to become available to the general public, but when it is ready, I think it will be one of the most beautiful devices in the marketplace.

There may be changes to the device over time, but I suspect that any further modifications will be slow in coming, because Jaime has put so much thought into the Akimbo that it is likely nearly perfect already.

Those are my thoughts on this. Again, no offense intended.

Tim
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Dont take it as disrespect, i just wasnt sure of the manufacturing stage and if any tooling had been made up..because with the addition of a caribiner attachment point for dbrt i could see sales being even higher...everything that works good for srt really isnt designed with possible dbrt in mind as of yet and everything dbrt is also technicaly a nono for srt....this could be the first fully functional device for all technics that are in use on a regular basis right now....

Imagin the sales of a device you can ropewalk up to your tip, switch to dbrt if thats the prefered work method...i personally like the mechanical advantage once im up in the work zone, and that way i dont have to fumble with haas or saka or anything to ascend again....a simple attachment point at the top of the backbone of this design and it WOULD for SURE be the best device on the market...no need for 2 separate devices if you use both srt and dbrt
 
TimBr said:
Hey, @Koda7225, welcome to the TreeBuzz forum. Congratulations on making your first post, also.

No disrespect intended at all with what I'm about to say. I think if you haven't already done it, you should go back and read the entirety of this thread, and possibly the similar thread on the TreeHouse forum.

Jaime Merritt has been sweating bullets over the design of this device for a very long time. I think the design phase is over with now, and things are moving in the direction of mass production by one of the best climbing gear companies on the planet. I'm not sure how long it will take for it to become available to the general public, but when it is ready, I think it will be one of the most beautiful devices in the marketplace.

There may be changes to the device over time, but I suspect that any further modifications will be slow in coming, because Jaime has put so much thought into the Akimbo that it is likely nearly perfect already.

Those are my thoughts on this. Again, no offense intended.

Tim
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And again no offence taken I just offered an idea....
 
JMerritt said:
Where do I send your check Tim? Seriously, I couldn't say it better. Thanks.

In response to koda: once we have the srt function dialed I'll turn my thoughts towards streamlining ddrt. Look at the tether on the spider jack, something similar could work on the Akimbo
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Like i said to timb, it was simply an idea for you maybe before tooling was made to make it truely an all in one device where people would only need to purchase one device (your device) for all situations, because right now for me the unicender (even with its drawback) is top dog for srt and my zig zag is best for dbrt in terms of ease of use and best packaged unit....each about $350 (for a totalof $700 in equipment and i need to swich back and forth or carry a second line up) so if the akimbo had an attachment point at the top of the backbone and it was the only thing i needed (so i would be willing to pay more, $450 retail even) because i wouldnt have to buy another device (remember about $700 for the 2) marketing my friend marketing......
 
CutHighnLetFly said:
Fluffman, I don't know exactly what your set up is, but needing different pieces of gear to go up, then down, and for a RADS set up seems like it potentially addsorw weight.
I'm not saying anything I suggest is better than what you have set up, but you may find it better to pack a 11mm+ sized rope and use less to do what you want. Might not save weight in any way, but might be able to have gear you can do more with cause it's compatible with the rope and not add any/much weight
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To my point about having it do both srt and dbrt cleanly.
 
Koda7225 said:
Again....sorry tim and jamie just making my point.....its what the people want.
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Yeah ... what you just quoted from yoyoman was a derail taken out of context .... and I don't think I'm alone on this but the second attachment point was brought up ages ago and squashed can't remember why .... anyhow I think the general consensus is not that they want the second attachment point but rather they just want the akimbo period ..... if the second point comes about later on those that want it will trade up I'm sure of it have you seen how long srt devices last on treebay ??
 
TreeWorks13 said:
Yeah ... what you just quoted from yoyoman was a derail taken out of context .... and I don't think I'm alone on this but the second attachment point was brought up ages ago and squashed can't remember why .... anyhow I think the general consensus is not that they want the second attachment point but rather they just want the akimbo period ..... if the second point comes about later on those that want it will trade up I'm sure of it have you seen how long srt devices last on treebay ??
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Ill admit ididnt go back through all the post, but from the last few ive been reading they do want it, but like younsaid they dont want to wait lol:nocausagracia: like little kids i tell ya.

Oh and treebay? This is news to me....intrested though!!!! Could you pm me a link?
 
monkeylove said:
The Akimbo works just fine for doubled rope with it's current design. I run it single up and double down all the time. You just connect back to your bridge instead of the device.
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Its not that it dosent function for double rope.. the idea of the attachment point was to clean it up for double so your not fumbling with a second end of the line running all the way past it to your bridge.
 
Koda7225 said:
Its not that it dosent function for double rope.. the idea of the attachment point was to clean it up for double so your not fumbling with a second end of the line running all the way past it to your bridge.
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Three hole swivel pulley like the Hydra/Rook works pretty well for the Akimbo and Hitch Hiker. It works well because the distance between lines. I really don't see a dedicated DdRT attachment point serving well for either of these devices. Although I made one for the HH, the lower friction had to be bypassed to make it work.
The tool that does what you are asking for well is the Unicender with its top DdRT attachment point, but for anything other than straight up and down, it is not the best choice.
 
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Thank you I was going to mention the hydra/rook but couldn't remember the name or articulate an accurate discription in my exhaustion last night ( read I'm fat / lazy and had a brainfart ) ..... I really want to put a hydra/rook on my bridge as I'm on a hitch hiker right now but I can't get over my trust issues with the whole swivel thing .... I honestly don't know what my issues is with it I just don't like the idea I guess .... most of what I do is simple removals not alot of limb walking or technical stuffs lots of conifers so straight up straight down I don't have a huge need to switch from srt but if my HH won't work well in dbrt I have no need to get over my swivel phobia so thank you yoyoman......

been kinda quiet on here latly any updates on the akimbo ?? If I can actually ask that while foaming at the mouth and shaking like a cracked up squirrel without sounding pushy ....that's what I'm shooting for anyways
 
Yes, but Jamie should be the one to let everyone know. I will text him though and let him know the mob is foaming at the mouth for any news about the Akimbo.
 
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