Streamlining workflow in spready oaks...

[rope-a-dope]

Exactly why I never tried it! I do the same kind of thing with my rope tail, if I have enough rope length. Finish the work on that redirect then pull it out of that fork with it's own end. Separate rope is cleaner I'm sure.

 

[climbstihl]

I've seen people pull redirects with a pinto and throwline, but I think they threw the throwline over the rope when they were already on the ground. Not great for everyday, but a good technique to know if you forgot to pull them before.

 

[islandarb]

KISS
Don't feed tail through so much. Drag what you need after tossing ponytail redirects through and then either toss your system back out of the redirects or take the system off and pull the slack. Piling 80 feet of tail or more twenty times in a climb is a lot of time and a lot of work.

I stack a lot of redirects after a basic knot cinch. I hang what I call a "redirect eraser" before I take my first one. Clip a pinto (or any pulley. Or just a carabiner. Seriously anything works pretty well.) around your climb line on a separate rope that you pull up when you set your canopy tie. When you are done, pull them all out with the eraser (easy as a base tie) and then retrieve.

I like that......the eraser...

 

[climbstihl]

I like that......the eraser...

I didn't know arnie climbed trees...

 

[RBJtree]

A throw hook has made a huge difference for me. I use the dmm captain with 50 foot of rope and an hh2. Its only 50 foot of rope, I usually just let it hang and pull it thru what ever it needs to be pulled thru as needed. If I have a decent sized section where I don't need it, hang it up and come back to get it when you return from that section. But often times I have already trimmed the center on my way up and with the hook there is no need for a return from many sections. Just throw the hook to the next section and pull yourself over there in a straight line. Use ascenders if you can't just pull by hand. With the hh2 on it, you can work off of the hook in srt ( not as primary life support, positioning aid only as per dmm instructions, less than 24 kn rating, and common sence) and it can be switched out to a ddrt/mrs when you get to the hooked point for a return aid or whatever else. I suck at throwing it, but it still kicks ass. I'm very persistant, I just keep throwing it untill it gets where it needs to be.

 

[trenchfoot]

A throw hook has made a huge difference for me. I use the dmm captain with 50 foot of rope and an hh2. Its only 50 foot of rope, I usually just let it hang and pull it thru what ever it needs to be pulled thru as needed. If I have a decent sized section where I don't need it, hang it up and come back to get it when you return from that section. But often times I have already trimmed the center on my way up and with the hook there is no need for a return from many sections. Just throw the hook to the next section and pull yourself over there in a straight line. Use ascenders if you can't just pull by hand. With the hh2 on it, you can work off of the hook in srt ( not as primary life support, positioning aid only as per dmm instructions, less than 24 kn rating, and common sence) and it can be switched out to a ddrt/mrs when you get to the hooked point for a return aid or whatever else. I suck at throwing it, but it still kicks ass. I'm very persistant, I just keep throwing it untill it gets where it needs to be.

Gotta love when it gets a positively stuck where you don’t want it

Edit: still saves load of energy for traverses

 

[RBJtree]

Gotta love when it gets a positively stuck where you don’t want it

Edit: still saves load of energy for traverses

Yea I love when I'm pulling it back from a missed throw and it falls down and gets stuck 20 or 30 feet below me.

 

[Burrapeg]

. . . How do you stow your long hook line? I daisy chain my stupid long lanyard and use those little tree stuff clips to keep it on my ass. Still gets tangled all the time though.

I have gotten in the habit of a double daisy chain for hanging my long lanyard off the saddle. I think I first saw it in a post by AJ a year or two ago. Just as quick to do up as a regular daisy chain but half the length and twice as fast to shake out when I need it.

 

[climbstihl]

I have gotten in the habit of a double daisy chain for hanging my long lanyard off the saddle. I think I first saw it in a post by AJ a year or two ago. Just as quick to do up as a regular daisy chain but half the length and twice as fast to shake out when I need it.

But then you can't just take out a couple of feet, right?

 

[RBJtree]

I've been using a daisy chain for my 25 foot lanyard. I have an eye splice in the end and I clip that to a carabiner on my saddle a little behind my hip, and then I clip the near end of daisy chain on to the carabiner, leaving myself however much I want to work with. With both ends of the daisy chain clip to the same Carabiner, it stays pretty compact. It's never really gotten in my way at all, and I can spool out whatever amount I want. With the 50 feet of rope on my throw hook, I find it a little more labor-intensive to daisy chain that up. Better to just let It All Hang like a second climbing line.

 

[Burrapeg]

But then you can't just take out a couple of feet, right?

Well, I don't daisy chain the first three or four feet, for a normal working length lanyard. I only drop the daisy chained part if I need it a lot longer. But it is true that several times I have needed just a few more feet and had to drop the whole daisy chained part to get it. I just climb for fun so no big deal. But I can see it might get awkward if I was up there to do a job and fighting a clock.

 

[RBJtree]

One time I had a branch I was roping get stuck on my daisy chained throw hook line. That was the last time. Rec climbing would certainly be different.

 

[trenchfoot]

One time I had a branch I was roping get stuck on my daisy chained throw hook line. That was the last time. Rec climbing would certainly be different.

haha that happens all the time with me. I have a deep desire to shift over to a minimalist set up but the hook, the long lanyard, they all save a lot of nrg. hard to find the equilibrium.

 

[Mowerr]

haha that happens all the time with me. I have a deep desire to shift over to a minimalist set up but the hook, the long lanyard, they all save a lot of nrg. hard to find the equilibrium.

Outta curiosity, how long have you been doing tree work? Off the ground...

 

[trenchfoot]

Outta curiosity, how long have you been doing tree work? Off the ground...

bout 5 or 6 years now aerially. 3 in utility, more recently in the wonderful world of resi. was a ground human long before that.

 

[Mowerr]

Cool cool. Yea your getting to the point in time where youll find yourself cutting weight off your gear.
Just let it happen... Only thing I see no reason for at work is the hook, cuz its technically not a legit second attachment point for cutting. Your long lanyard should do all of that or Integrate the hook on the back end of the long lanyard.
I never had the hook and at work I would never need it but I'd like to try it for rec climbing.
I know the hook can do more than work positioning but at work I would rarely find use for it I think.

 

[rope-a-dope]

^This^ is why I wouldn't ever put my hook on a long lanyard. Too many climbs I wouldn't use it. Same goes for the long lanyard. A large majority of jobs will get done just as easily with a single climb line and simple basic lanyard. I do have these things when I want them. Sometimes they are crucial to being effective in certain situations.
But they are meant to be options, just like different climbing systems. Never gonna be "one to rule them all."
The trees will give you enough trouble; no point in fighting your own harness mess.

 

[trenchfoot]

Cool cool. Yea your getting to the point in time where youll find yourself cutting weight off your gear.
Just let it happen... Only thing I see no reason for at work is the hook, cuz its technically not a legit second attachment point for cutting. Your long lanyard should do all of that or Integrate the hook on the back end of the long lanyard.
I never had the hook and at work I would never need it but I'd like to try it for rec climbing.
I know the hook can do more than work positioning but at work I would rarely find use for it I think.

yea i only use the hook for long traverses where i don't feel like doing an up/down transition or i choke it and hang a cabling bucket from it. i think i've used it for positioning on a cut like.....twice ever. triple tied of course.

 

[RBJtree]

I don't use the hook what I would call often. Large clean outs, occasionally a really large removal where I would have a need to move from end of one large lead to another several times to cut branches out of the way in a certain order to facilitate a good roping path, same for zip lining a large removal. The other day I had a job reducing about 12 black locust for a customer who wanted to not lose his view from his back deck to the trees that kept growing taller. I was able to employ the hook to pull myself from one tree top to the next averaging about 3 trees per ascent. Saved a lot of time and energy. But most jobs, it simply isn't necessary to bring it up with me, in which case, its certainly not in the way.

 

[Treetopflyer]

I barely grazed over these posts so forgive me if it's been said , I'm a very firm believer in two climb lines in large spread out trees. Setting and retrieving redirects is dreamy on two separate systems with some thing as miraculous as a bulldogg bone for instance. Really a game changer. Two ROPE bridges is helpful to run two systems smoothly as possible from my experience. I've tried a few ways about it and settled mostly on this.