SRT Trunk Tie Off/Safety Concerns

Re: SRT the Flaw?

Accessing the tips is ppssible with ddrt, it is just so much more complicated. Srt allows climbers to easily obtain much safer work angles through the use of simple, multiple natural redirects. This advantage far outweighs the negatives and makes SRT more practical and realistic than ddrt. I tried to train for a comp ddrt, as they dont allow srt. That was a frustrating hour.
 
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Yeah, you can carry around a second climbing line as well although that sounds very much a PIA. That technique does work treevet but it is quite cumbersome. To each his own. Many ways to skin a cat.
 
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Tophopper, i will be in minnesota this summer for sure. I would love to do some climbing with you and share techniques
 
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If you are pruning a very large spread all-day decurrent tree and you have to prune all out in the ends...then at least partially down the canopy on that lead (ofcourse you don't want to prune almost all the way to the ground YET)...

you plant your "redirect" out there on the one lead...and you are stuck with it. Now how do you do the other leads without humping back thru that "redirect" crotch to proceed with the rest of your work?

Comp trees I have seen and was involved many years ago were all set up and even pruned for flowing manuevers. The real world out there is not so contrived.
 
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"Now how do you do the other leads without humping back thru that "redirect" crotch to proceed with the rest of your work?"

Very simple!

Look on page 61 of 'The Tree Climber's Companion'...and follow it for a single line.

It would be easier to show you...but...stay tuned....

The redi point is in front of me or above, whatever...a bite of rope is placed in the redi but the tail is left on the 'inside' and dropped down to where it can be retrieved later. Then I climb out to the bite, lanyard in, transfer my Uni/RW to the 'upper' leg of the bite and continue working out or down. When I'm done I work my way back to the tail of the rope, lanyard in and pull the bit out of the redi up above.

When i climbed DdRT I would do the same...but the friction was atrocious! Many times it wasn't worth the positioning advantage.
 
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"Now how do you do the other leads without humping back thru that "redirect" crotch to proceed with the rest of your work?"

Very simple!

Look on page 61 of 'The Tree Climber's Companion'...and follow it for a single line.

It would be easier to show you...but...stay tuned....

When I'm done I work my way back to the tail of the rope, lanyard in and pull the bit out of the redi up above.



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I looked at pg 61 and have read it before and yes that works just fine but the fact remains that as you said you have to "work (?work....haven't you already worked that span?) back to the "redirect".

If you had a second tie in you do not have to "go/work back up" ....yank your second crotch and bye bye.
 
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Verb:
Be engaged in physical or mental activity in order to achieve a purpose or result, esp. in one's job; do work.

Unless it fits the plan I don't have to go back to the redi, I'm working out and down most of the time.

With a bit of preplanning there are no wasted steps. I've always left the retrieval tail hanging near my next position, kind of like at the bottom of the ladder/stairs. At worst, it's nearby in a place where I would have to work anyway...in the end...no wasted energy.
 
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How long does it take you to ascend to the top on srt? There is no humping. It's a fluid ascent back to my redirect.

I have the privilege of working for a company that does a lot of pruning on very large mature trees. I am way more efficient and productive climbing srt in these type of trees. I use redirects natural and straps to give me the rope angles to work the very outer edge of the canapy of these trees. And then I ascend back up and work another section of the tree. I haven't found a more efficient ergonomic way to do tree work.
 
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Explain to me how using SRT vs Ddrt gave you the advantage of being able to access the tips.

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Redirects!

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All done with a lot less effort. I am thinking he is talking about the sometimes nasty rope angles you get yourself into with Ddrt. Less so with SRT if you plan your route
 
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Here's a pic of how I illustrated retrieving an SRT. This is from the first SRT presentation I did in about '02.
 

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Re: SRT the Flaw?

Derrick curious how you ascend back up after pruning the tips,curious what method do you use?

Tom I cant really make out what you got going there.

But I do think working SRT off a friction saver is a huge step in the right direction.Just with murphys law on the job site someone Im sure will pay with a rope anchored to the trunk,dumb co workers or not.We do it too but mainly for ascents and usually transfer over to a pulley saver.Well I was before I got hurt(bike wreck).Ive never really had a problem getting to the tips in most trees using DDrt but theres usually not much to cut on the tips either. But I like working the tree srt as well in the right situation.
 
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"Now how do you do the other leads without humping back thru that "redirect" crotch to proceed with the rest of your work?"

Very simple!

Look on page 61 of 'The Tree Climber's Companion'...and follow it for a single line.

It would be easier to show you...but...stay tuned....

When I'm done I work my way back to the tail of the rope, lanyard in and pull the bit out of the redi up above.



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I looked at pg 61 and have read it before and yes that works just fine but the fact remains that as you said you have to "work (?work....haven't you already worked that span?) back to the "redirect".

If you had a second tie in you do not have to "go/work back up" ....yank your second crotch and bye bye.

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If you're bringing in a second rope to climb on... We can also bring in second rope to climb on... But, of course it too would be SRT.
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Re: SRT the Flaw?

Depends on how clear a shot I have to get back to my redirect. Sometimes if it's long and an open ascent. Back to the redirect I'll frog it. I carry the ascender and footloop throughout the climb. Or if there are multiple limbs that I rubbing or it's not that far of an ascent I just pantin back up using a small key chain biner on my suspenders to tend my hitch. Normally the second option.

Hope that helped. Sometimes I rope trick out of my redirects all depends on the work at hand.
 
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The sickest technique is to hit a primary and secondary shot (for a re-direct) from the ground; with one toss.

For example, you may get on of those jobs where you only need to get out one large broken limb. And that limb is out towards the tips. In stead of hitting a primary shot, limb walking out, lanyarding in, making necessary cuts, set up rigging, etc. It's great to be able to foot lock up to your target limb and do your work. And it was possible because of hitting the primary and seconday points from the ground; in one toss.
 
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Yeah good I think the frog would be the most efficient option.Not a big fan of pantining(solely) up long spans srt,just think its brutal on my knees.By rope trick ,what do you mean like pony tailing your line?

Jamin didnt Mark C do that in a masters climb using a floating false crotch off of and srt line in a comp.
But I do agree using the wrench and a frog walker would be less gear intensive but you would still have to have the trunk anchor.Which is back to the point at hand,if we could eliminate the trunk anchor working a tree SRT would it be safer.Ive never given it a great deal of thought until this thread started but I do see the potential danger. Ive seen good employees do some really stupid stuff on jobs before so the risk is thee thats for sure.
 
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