- Location
- atlanta,ga
SRT from an od head ...
- Thread starter Riggs
- Start date
Steve Connally
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Suffolk, Virginia
Yes Mac I agree.......again
Steve Connally
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Suffolk, Virginia
I personally don't use the Pinto/Biner combo anymore. I ended up with some really strange wear on the biner from the side plates of the pinto. I strictly use the delta quicklink now. Does just fine for me.
Treetopflyer
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Coastal N.J
You could always fairlead with a pinto to aid in retrieval after multiple redirects.
frashdog
Branched out member
- Location
- Champlain valley, adirondack coast
same set up? but with delta quick link in place of pulley? I like simple and cheap.
treevet
Branched out member
- Location
- Cincinnati, Ohio
soooooo....you now have 2 lines hanging down to the ground...the side you climb on and the side you pull down the anchor set up with...more clutter to move around and avoid cutting and difficult in retrieval with multiple re directs, not to mention you have lost your desirable planned high central TIP. Don't get me wrong I am trying it and have a Bone and enter every tree srt with my wraptor...but maybe not the utopia made out to be. Unless a canopy tie in on a TD and then it is best but I may have to resist the temptation to pull over the tree with my climbing line.
JontreeHI
Branched out member
- Location
- West Michigan lakeshore
I think we are at a level of evolution in climbing where the merits of srt no longer need to be advocated for. Either you get it or you don't, either you like it or you don't. Those that use it for (almost) every project every day, do so for a reason.
Richard Mumford-yoyoman
Been here a while
- Location
- Atlanta GA
The line can just be sent up and cinched and retrieval tag line set later.
Richard Mumford-yoyoman
Been here a while
- Location
- Atlanta GA
Sometimes I think I put too much effort into making everything "retrievable", like I'm never going to get in the tree or can't get back to that point.
treevet
Branched out member
- Location
- Cincinnati, Ohio
That is so much balony....you must be a young kid with a big ego. ALL this stuff is so new and CONSTANTLY fluidly changing. Hell just say 7 years ago NONE of this schit existed and the big news was a seperate line for your blakes hitch instead of just one climbing line making the hitch. So you climb SRT....doesn't make you any big deal...unless you actually ARE a big deal. And just saying you are in the tree forum doesn't make you one lol. Go to work...How come you arent up a tree right now? I been climbing over 45 years and I am just selling work today that is why I am not up a tree.
JontreeHI
Branched out member
- Location
- West Michigan lakeshore
Take it easy. All I'm saying is it's not a fad, it's benefits are undeniable to those that use it. I'm certainly no big deal, just a young fellow who enjoys what I do. I expect that climbing will continue to evolve and I look forward to the ride.
The srt vs Ddrt convo is played out already. Try it; you'll like it. If not, don't use it. No skin off my back.
Ok, up a tree see ya later.
MikePowers321
Carpal tunnel level member
- Location
- Leeds, Ny
You may enjoy having constant friction at your device (wrench, bone, runner...whatever you use). You may enjoy having the ability to redirect in the tree without increased friction like when using Ddrt. You may like quick 1:1 ascents that utilize your legs more than your arms. You may not like any of that. Give it a try.
Steve Connally
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Suffolk, Virginia
Yep, no pulley or biner. Just a simple ole hunk of steel.
Steve Connally
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Suffolk, Virginia
I only have to move one leg of my line. The one that hangs for retrieval just sits there and looks pretty. I tend to not chainsaw cut close to my lines so cutting the line isn't any more of an issue for me srt than dDrt. Seems no matter how you climb you should be able to position yourself to make a safe controlled cut. Yes I one hand a saw all day long so I'm not that guy who says he can always get in perfect position to make a textbook cut. I just don't see cutting my line anymore so than other methods.
Retrieval with redirects :Haven't had difficulties personally. If I do, the foreman is 300 lbs.
I still have that central tip way up. The benefit for me is being able to redirect that tip to drop down into areas rather than super long limb walks. I can go above the limb where my angle isn't so bad and redirect through a branch then drop down to my target and walk out further with a better angle. Good for us not so graceful fellas. I do have to go back up to the redirect if I need to go to the other side of the tree. That's so easy srt. Just kick on the ascender and pop back up to the redirect. Easy-peasy. Has made my plan a little more strategic in working the canopy. Try to get everywhere I can and chase as few redirects as possible. It is really much easier for me and I had the ddrt and body thrusting system working so well for me. The anchor bridge system made life so much better but the fact remains, for me, ascending up a single line away from the trunk in mid air is so much easier than body thrusting mid air or footlocking the tail.
So the great thing about a td with an canopy tie is that I don't flipline up stuff. I have a canopy tip and a chest teather for the rr/bone and an ascender on my gaff. I just walk up the tree hand over hand and foot over foot. No flipping, no moving stuff around to always stay tied in climbing around branches and through crotches. If I slip, I am instantly caught with no drop. The spike ascender keeps my line taught were the teather advances my mechanical device the way it was designed. Everything passes the whistle test. As far a blocking down, even better. So I had always been taught to always stay double tied when blocking down. Ddrt always presented a challenge there unless you used a contraption/friction saver/ ring to ring prussic/left staubs. I was always taught don't hang your life off a bowline so with the cinch anchor srt delta link set up, problem solved. I leave a tail the length of the wood I want to send down. Boss says send them 16' I leave 16' of tail below the alpine butterfly. Buzz down 16' and pull the retrieval end. The line falls down to me and I snug it back up and make the cut. Do it again. Now sometimes i'll have to untie and retie the alpine depending on how the retrieval went but if I keep the stick clean it should slide rite down to me.
I'm sure not gonna try to sell you on this or change your mind. Just answering questions. I doubted it and rode around with srt stuff in the box for over a year until I said I am gonna really do this, every climb, until I could get good enough to make a decision on style. It just works. I'm about a year or so behind all the guys on here. I see something new and I watch it and learn for a while before I jump on that ship. The doubled rope thing is pretty interesting to me now. Haven't tried but who knows.
I suppose it's like if I were to buy a wraptor. I've only been on one once. It was awesome and all but it's a lot of money just to get up a tree. Then I have to switch systems, then lower it to the ground, set up takes time, blah blah blah rite? Some of the same arguments for any change in climbing style. It works for me, its the way I'm used to ect..... don't have time to mess around and practice when the boss is up my tail........
Then I get one, the best thing ever, the cats ass, the bees knees, saves me so much time, so much energy, increase productivity. I can almost hear "I've been climbing 45 years and I can out produce all these young boys with their fancy gear" BECAUSE you're working smarter. There comes a time when we are getting older and we realize its not about how much you did in a day but how can I do what I do smarter, more efficiently, and without feeling like your gotten your tail kicked all day. The old bull young bull analogy.
My point being, this is MY work smarter not harder. Let those young boys work their tails off. I can do what they do and more, sweating less and i'll be doing this longer (hopefully). Believe me I want a wraptor. That is the ultimate career longevity tool for the climber. If I get one I'm sure i'll say the same thing about it as srt. Man I wish I had worked this way a long time ago.
Not trying to sell you treevet. You sound like you've had as many years in the trees as my brother. I try to talk climbing with him and he tells me he has know idea what I'm talking about. He stopped climbing long ago and was very old school in Kentucky. So I get it and if it works for you after 45 years in your career, if it works, why change? I get it. Again just answering questions. Trying to help as those before have helped me.
I'm no bad ass but my OLD ass is at the fire station today resting from my tree work days.
))
Retrieval with redirects :Haven't had difficulties personally. If I do, the foreman is 300 lbs.
I still have that central tip way up. The benefit for me is being able to redirect that tip to drop down into areas rather than super long limb walks. I can go above the limb where my angle isn't so bad and redirect through a branch then drop down to my target and walk out further with a better angle. Good for us not so graceful fellas. I do have to go back up to the redirect if I need to go to the other side of the tree. That's so easy srt. Just kick on the ascender and pop back up to the redirect. Easy-peasy. Has made my plan a little more strategic in working the canopy. Try to get everywhere I can and chase as few redirects as possible. It is really much easier for me and I had the ddrt and body thrusting system working so well for me. The anchor bridge system made life so much better but the fact remains, for me, ascending up a single line away from the trunk in mid air is so much easier than body thrusting mid air or footlocking the tail.
So the great thing about a td with an canopy tie is that I don't flipline up stuff. I have a canopy tip and a chest teather for the rr/bone and an ascender on my gaff. I just walk up the tree hand over hand and foot over foot. No flipping, no moving stuff around to always stay tied in climbing around branches and through crotches. If I slip, I am instantly caught with no drop. The spike ascender keeps my line taught were the teather advances my mechanical device the way it was designed. Everything passes the whistle test. As far a blocking down, even better. So I had always been taught to always stay double tied when blocking down. Ddrt always presented a challenge there unless you used a contraption/friction saver/ ring to ring prussic/left staubs. I was always taught don't hang your life off a bowline so with the cinch anchor srt delta link set up, problem solved. I leave a tail the length of the wood I want to send down. Boss says send them 16' I leave 16' of tail below the alpine butterfly. Buzz down 16' and pull the retrieval end. The line falls down to me and I snug it back up and make the cut. Do it again. Now sometimes i'll have to untie and retie the alpine depending on how the retrieval went but if I keep the stick clean it should slide rite down to me.
I'm sure not gonna try to sell you on this or change your mind. Just answering questions. I doubted it and rode around with srt stuff in the box for over a year until I said I am gonna really do this, every climb, until I could get good enough to make a decision on style. It just works. I'm about a year or so behind all the guys on here. I see something new and I watch it and learn for a while before I jump on that ship. The doubled rope thing is pretty interesting to me now. Haven't tried but who knows.
I suppose it's like if I were to buy a wraptor. I've only been on one once. It was awesome and all but it's a lot of money just to get up a tree. Then I have to switch systems, then lower it to the ground, set up takes time, blah blah blah rite? Some of the same arguments for any change in climbing style. It works for me, its the way I'm used to ect..... don't have time to mess around and practice when the boss is up my tail........
Then I get one, the best thing ever, the cats ass, the bees knees, saves me so much time, so much energy, increase productivity. I can almost hear "I've been climbing 45 years and I can out produce all these young boys with their fancy gear" BECAUSE you're working smarter. There comes a time when we are getting older and we realize its not about how much you did in a day but how can I do what I do smarter, more efficiently, and without feeling like your gotten your tail kicked all day. The old bull young bull analogy.
My point being, this is MY work smarter not harder. Let those young boys work their tails off. I can do what they do and more, sweating less and i'll be doing this longer (hopefully). Believe me I want a wraptor. That is the ultimate career longevity tool for the climber. If I get one I'm sure i'll say the same thing about it as srt. Man I wish I had worked this way a long time ago.
Not trying to sell you treevet. You sound like you've had as many years in the trees as my brother. I try to talk climbing with him and he tells me he has know idea what I'm talking about. He stopped climbing long ago and was very old school in Kentucky. So I get it and if it works for you after 45 years in your career, if it works, why change? I get it. Again just answering questions. Trying to help as those before have helped me.
I'm no bad ass but my OLD ass is at the fire station today resting from my tree work days.
))
treevet
Branched out member
- Location
- Cincinnati, Ohio
I like ALL of that. But what I don't like is re doing ANYTHING. If I put a log in the truck and it rolls off on the ground arrrrgh...I hate re doing that. And if you work redirects and have to retrace to regain your high central TIP then argh and if you have set a running bolen or the like as a canopy anchor (TIP) and when you are on the bottom branch and you have to go back up and release it arggh again. But if you can sprinkle fairy dust in the air and presto the canopy anchor comes down to the ground and you don't have to suffer another line that's only purpose is to pull down the anchor and is a nuisance all the time....back to double arrgh again.
treevet
Branched out member
- Location
- Cincinnati, Ohio
I am gonna read this a little later but I am sure it is goodI only have to move one leg of my line. The one that hangs for retrieval just sits there and looks pretty. I tend to not chainsaw cut close to my lines so cutting the line isn't any more of an issue for me srt than dDrt. Seems no matter how you climb you should be able to position yourself to make a safe controlled cut. Yes I one hand a saw all day long so I'm not that guy who says he can always get in perfect position to make a textbook cut. I just don't see cutting my line anymore so than other methods.
Retrieval with redirects :Haven't had difficulties personally. If I do, the foreman is 300 lbs.
I still have that central tip way up. The benefit for me is being able to redirect that tip to drop down into areas rather than super long limb walks. I can go above the limb where my angle isn't so bad and redirect through a branch then drop down to my target and walk out further with a better angle. Good for us not so graceful fellas. I do have to go back up to the redirect if I need to go to the other side of the tree. That's so easy srt. Just kick on the ascender and pop back up to the redirect. Easy-peasy. Has made my plan a little more strategic in working the canopy. Try to get everywhere I can and chase as few redirects as possible. It is really much easier for me and I had the ddrt and body thrusting system working so well for me. The anchor bridge system made life so much better but the fact remains, for me, ascending up a single line away from the trunk in mid air is so much easier than body thrusting mid air or footlocking the tail.
So the great thing about a td with an canopy tie is that I don't flipline up stuff. I have a canopy tip and a chest teather for the rr/bone and an ascender on my gaff. I just walk up the tree hand over hand and foot over foot. No flipping, no moving stuff around to always stay tied in climbing around branches and through crotches. If I slip, I am instantly caught with no drop. The spike ascender keeps my line taught were the teather advances my mechanical device the way it was designed. Everything passes the whistle test. As far a blocking down, even better. So I had always been taught to always stay double tied when blocking down. Ddrt always presented a challenge there unless you used a contraption/friction saver/ ring to ring prussic/left staubs. I was always taught don't hang your life off a bowline so with the cinch anchor srt delta link set up, problem solved. I leave a tail the length of the wood I want to send down. Boss says send them 16' I leave 16' of tail below the alpine butterfly. Buzz down 16' and pull the retrieval end. The line falls down to me and I snug it back up and make the cut. Do it again. Now sometimes i'll have to untie and retie the alpine depending on how the retrieval went but if I keep the stick clean it should slide rite down to me.
I'm sure not gonna try to sell you on this or change your mind. Just answering questions. I doubted it and rode around with srt stuff in the box for over a year until I said I am gonna really do this, every climb, until I could get good enough to make a decision on style. It just works. I'm about a year or so behind all the guys on here. I see something new and I watch it and learn for a while before I jump on that ship. The doubled rope thing is pretty interesting to me now. Haven't tried but who knows.
I suppose it's like if I were to buy a wraptor. I've only been on one once. It was awesome and all but it's a lot of money just to get up a tree. Then I have to switch systems, then lower it to the ground, set up takes time, blah blah blah rite? Some of the same arguments for any change in climbing style. It works for me, its the way I'm used to ect..... don't have time to mess around and practice when the boss is up my tail........
Then I get one, the best thing ever, the cats ass, the bees knees, saves me so much time, so much energy, increase productivity. I can almost hear "I've been climbing 45 years and I can out produce all these young boys with their fancy gear" BECAUSE you're working smarter. There comes a time when we are getting older and we realize its not about how much you did in a day but how can I do what I do smarter, more efficiently, and without feeling like your gotten your tail kicked all day. The old bull young bull analogy.
My point being, this is MY work smarter not harder. Let those young boys work their tails off. I can do what they do and more, sweating less and i'll be doing this longer (hopefully). Believe me I want a wraptor. That is the ultimate career longevity tool for the climber. If I get one I'm sure i'll say the same thing about it as srt. Man I wish I had worked this way a long time ago.
Not trying to sell you treevet. You sound like you've had as many years in the trees as my brother. I try to talk climbing with him and he tells me he has know idea what I'm talking about. He stopped climbing long ago and was very old school in Kentucky. So I get it and if it works for you after 45 years in your career, if it works, why change? I get it. Again just answering questions. Trying to help as those before have helped me.
I'm no bad ass but my OLD ass is at the fire station today resting from my tree work days.
Steve Connally
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Suffolk, Virginia
Nothing somebody else hasn't said, just not quite as defensive lol
Steve Connally
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Suffolk, Virginia
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Steve Connally
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Suffolk, Virginia
Had to throw the last selfie in for prosperity. Swing dude was the selfie king Somebody has to take his place rite?
So the delta link set up. I had intended to get some more pics and vids but yesterday wasn't the day for it. Unpleasant $2000 single pine removal. Not the best example. Had one hole in the neighbors yard to put many 20 to 30' limbs. Lots of understory that couldn't be wrecked but what the heck. This thread isn't about that.
So the delta link set up. I had intended to get some more pics and vids but yesterday wasn't the day for it. Unpleasant $2000 single pine removal. Not the best example. Had one hole in the neighbors yard to put many 20 to 30' limbs. Lots of understory that couldn't be wrecked but what the heck. This thread isn't about that.
