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treevet said:
Tell me more about this "canopy anchor".? You certainly do not prune a large decurrent tree....then climb way back up top to release the anchor then ddrt back down? Or you have some kind of retrievable anchor which I'd like to evaluate.
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I was curious about this as well. I'm just getting into SRT and would love to expedite the learning curve.
 

Here is a decent video on cinched canopy anchors/ring n ring/retrieval.....There are tons of pictures here on the buzz that show all types of different canopy anchors that would help you visualize the set ups. I was having trouble finding them though. I'm sure someone can chime in here.
 
I'll try to get you a pic tomorrow. There are tons already on here. I secure the canopy tie with an alpine butterfly and a steel delta link. If the tree isn't too tall I can use one line or put my throw line on the end I'm not climbing on or I can connect another shorter line to the spliced eye using a shorter rope. It's retrieved from the ground usually easily even through multiple redirects. The problem with a midline anchor is needing 3 times the rope I need for retrieval. I carry an 80' climbing line with another delta for little trees or for retrieval.
 
treevet said:
Tell me more about this "canopy anchor".? You certainly do not prune a large decurrent tree....then climb way back up top to release the anchor then ddrt back down? Or you have some kind of retrievable anchor which I'd like to evaluate. Picture.
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Generally just a butterfly with a delta link to capture the working leg o the line. Then pull it up to the TIP. You have to isolate like with DdRT. And generally will need to trace back any redirects. For retrieval. I don't have a pic handy, maybe words help. Maybe not. Depends on who's typing I guess
 
But isn't there a tag line to pull down the aerial anchor and like Mac said...remove redirects for a straight shot at pulling down the running bowline or whatev? I guess I just don't get it.
 
Yeah there can be if your rope isn't long enough. It's super quick to just connect a Nother short retrieval line. I haven't been in a tree yet I've had troubles pulling through natural crotchety redirects. I'll try to get some photos or videos but I've been doing a ton of removals lately.
 
Even if you just srt for ascent it decreases the wear and tear on my upper body. It's all leg work. At 45 I'm trying to get 10 more years outa my ability to climb. I feel much better at th end of the day rather than yanking myself up a bunch of trees spikeless every day. No shoulder issues and my hands don't go numb while I'm sleeping every night anymore.
 
treevet said:
But isn't there a tag line to pull down the aerial anchor and like Mac said...remove redirects for a straight shot at pulling down the running bowline or whatev? I guess I just don't get it.
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Right?
Maybe a throw line or thin acessory cord to be used as a "tag line" in order to retrieve the anchor. The videos helped me understand retrievable srt anchors greatly.
 
Steve Connally said:
Yeah there can be if your rope isn't long enough. It's super quick to just connect a Nother short retrieval line. I haven't been in a tree yet I've had troubles pulling through natural crotchety redirects. I'll try to get some photos or videos but I've been doing a ton of removals lately.
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If your rope is not long enough, to descend from the anchor via double rope as shown in the video?
 
I don't know how to change the title except to delete it and start over. Sorry can't help you with that.

As far as not being comfortable with the base tie, assuming I used to base tie, I will just cinch it off wherever I want, when I get where I want. It can be below the primary support, removed and set elsewhere, or recovered from the ground.
Personally, whatever a climber chooses, it is great to have the options.
 
Personally, I have been using the alpine butterfly butting up against the "small ring" of a friction saver (though I use an oval quick link for midline attachment). I think the retrieval is easier with redirects and the set up is easier.... for me anyways.

But Steve is correct, even if you just ascend the tree SRT on a base tie....no more isolating throw lines, and you save a lot of energy. Switching to ddrt after ascending on a Srt base tie is very simple and efficient. That's how I started anyway. Ascending on only my hitch on a stationary line.
 
MikePowers321 said:
Personally, I have been using the alpine butterfly butting up against the "small ring" of a friction saver (though I use an oval quick link for midline attachment). I think the retrieval is easier with redirects and the set up is easier.... for me anyways.

But Steve is correct, even if you just ascend the tree SRT on a base tie....no more isolating throw lines, and you save a lot of energy. Switching to ddrt after ascending on a Srt base tie is very simple and efficient. That's how I started anyway. Ascending on only my hitch on a stationary line.
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I have used that sometimes mike, if i know i need a good bit of line for the redirects ill jam it at the eye splice on the small side and bring up a throw line that ill drop to the ground with a weight on it for retrieval. ive only used it a hand full of times though.
 
treevet said:
But isn't there a tag line to pull down the aerial anchor and like Mac said...remove redirects for a straight shot at pulling down the running bowline or whatev? I guess I just don't get it.
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I don't really use canopy anchors unless I am removing the tree, in which case, generally, I will still start with a base tie, then switch at some point during the proceedings. Canopy anchor doesn't do a whole lot for me, for the same reasons you seemed unimpressed.
 
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