By the way David I have never posted on Master Blasters site, don't want someone else's credit. Look at my Mango tree removal nothing exciting by the drop zone was tiny and the wood heavy. Also look in blockbuster vid I posted my bio on a thread that Josh started about a professional hack. I absolutely did not agree about the guy being a hack. Very enthusiastic dude. I told my story somewhere in the middle. Sorry folks and Oxman to derail so much just wanted to clear the air and get things straight so I can carry on smartly. Will be posting soon a collage of tree work I did last month some you guys may have seen but I want feedback and be truthful but nice please, God I am getting soft in my old age probably a good things it's truly humbling. Thanks Swing.
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treevet
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Get a room you two...
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Not to keep this thread going but another climber at work who has only been climbing a year now called me out yesterday. He was one handing his saw hanging from rope only no laynard. I immediatly yelled at him to put his laynard on. He gave me a go to hell look but did it. As soon as he came down he said he wathced me do this just earlier that morning. I was out on a large poplar limb and reached way out and cut about half the limb off so it would clear another tree. I agreed I should have had mine on. But explained to him how he was cutting right next to his rope and the main stalk. I had to explain how my rope was behind me and nowhere near the saw and I was nowhere near the kickback zone. It was the fastest way to make that cut. I believe safe also. I agreed with him that I shouldn't do it and will try to lead by example from now on. I hate being called out like that. Monkey see monkey do. Can't always say do as I say not as I do.
Daniel
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Not to keep this thread going but another climber at work who has only been climbing a year now called me out yesterday. He was one handing his saw hanging from rope only no laynard. I immediatly yelled at him to put his laynard on. He gave me a go to hell look but did it. As soon as he came down he said he wathced me do this just earlier that morning. I was out on a large poplar limb and reached way out and cut about half the limb off so it would clear another tree. I agreed I should have had mine on. But explained to him how he was cutting right next to his rope and the main stalk. I had to explain how my rope was behind me and nowhere near the saw and I was nowhere near the kickback zone. It was the fastest way to make that cut. I believe safe also. I agreed with him that I shouldn't do it and will try to lead by example from now on. I hate being called out like that. Monkey see monkey do. Can't always say do as I say not as I do.
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That sir is a perfect example of the reason for the rule(s).. an experieinced climber knows when he can "get away" with one handing, while a newbie doesn't. Its not practical to ask a highly experienced climber to follow the same rules that are designed for novices. BUT from an industry perspective there is no way to create a distinction between those that have the experience to know and those that don't, SO everyone is asked to follow the same rules. Its impractical, but there is no way to get around it.
Not to keep this thread going but another climber at work who has only been climbing a year now called me out yesterday. He was one handing his saw hanging from rope only no laynard. I immediatly yelled at him to put his laynard on. He gave me a go to hell look but did it. As soon as he came down he said he wathced me do this just earlier that morning. I was out on a large poplar limb and reached way out and cut about half the limb off so it would clear another tree. I agreed I should have had mine on. But explained to him how he was cutting right next to his rope and the main stalk. I had to explain how my rope was behind me and nowhere near the saw and I was nowhere near the kickback zone. It was the fastest way to make that cut. I believe safe also. I agreed with him that I shouldn't do it and will try to lead by example from now on. I hate being called out like that. Monkey see monkey do. Can't always say do as I say not as I do.
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That sir is a perfect example of the reason for the rule(s).. an experieinced climber knows when he can "get away" with one handing, while a newbie doesn't. Its not practical to ask a highly experienced climber to follow the same rules that are designed for novices. BUT from an industry perspective there is no way to create a distinction between those that have the experience to know and those that don't, SO everyone is asked to follow the same rules. Its impractical, but there is no way to get around it.
southsoundtree
Been here much more than a while
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- Olympia, WA
I've never read, nor heard about the requirement of having two TIPs while using a chainsaw that are both fully capable of handling the force of the climber coming to rely on either one independently if the other should fail.
Its great to have a second TIP, but often when limbwalking, if you cut your climb line, you can fall onto your lanyard, snapping off the limb to which your lanyard is affixed.
Two independent TIPs capable of withstanding any shockloading from failure of one TIP would be best.
Thoughts? Add'l info?
Its great to have a second TIP, but often when limbwalking, if you cut your climb line, you can fall onto your lanyard, snapping off the limb to which your lanyard is affixed.
Two independent TIPs capable of withstanding any shockloading from failure of one TIP would be best.
Thoughts? Add'l info?
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I'm calling BS on any distinction between novice and experienced climber and one handing...the notion is rubbish!
Even if it weren't in Z133 and all manufacturer guidelines it makes sense to keep two hands on the saw.
Add up the time savings from one handing and put it in a savings account. Then, when an accident or death occurs cash in the savings. There won't be enough to cover the tab. Result? Loss or bankruptcy
I'm using my phone right now so I don't have access to the Z so that I can reference what qualifies as a TIP. From memory it talks about supporting the climber, second TIPs or lanyard anchorsust meet the same qualifications
Even if it weren't in Z133 and all manufacturer guidelines it makes sense to keep two hands on the saw.
Add up the time savings from one handing and put it in a savings account. Then, when an accident or death occurs cash in the savings. There won't be enough to cover the tab. Result? Loss or bankruptcy
I'm using my phone right now so I don't have access to the Z so that I can reference what qualifies as a TIP. From memory it talks about supporting the climber, second TIPs or lanyard anchorsust meet the same qualifications
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funny how he one hands his saw yet he rips this tree service new one and says "one hand grip is a no no" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zCWxblS4...mp;feature=plcp
robinia
Participating member
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- Ontario, Canada
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I'm calling BS on any distinction between novice and experienced climber and one handing...the notion is rubbish!
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Total BS.
What's next, experienced climbers can get away with no rope if it's "safer" ?!!?
I'm calling BS on any distinction between novice and experienced climber and one handing...the notion is rubbish!
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Total BS.
What's next, experienced climbers can get away with no rope if it's "safer" ?!!?
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Not to keep this thread going but another climber at work who has only been climbing a year now called me out yesterday. He was one handing his saw hanging from rope only no laynard. I immediatly yelled at him to put his laynard on. He gave me a go to hell look but did it. As soon as he came down he said he wathced me do this just earlier that morning. I was out on a large poplar limb and reached way out and cut about half the limb off so it would clear another tree. I agreed I should have had mine on. But explained to him how he was cutting right next to his rope and the main stalk. I had to explain how my rope was behind me and nowhere near the saw and I was nowhere near the kickback zone. It was the fastest way to make that cut. I believe safe also. I agreed with him that I shouldn't do it and will try to lead by example from now on. I hate being called out like that. Monkey see monkey do. Can't always say do as I say not as I do.
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That sir is a perfect example of the reason for the rule(s).. an experieinced climber knows when he can "get away" with one handing, while a newbie doesn't. Its not practical to ask a highly experienced climber to follow the same rules that are designed for novices. BUT from an industry perspective there is no way to create a distinction between those that have the experience to know and those that don't, SO everyone is asked to follow the same rules. Its impractical, but there is no way to get around it.
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Daniel- Does this distinction also apply to wearing chaps while running a chainsaw on the ground?
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Not to keep this thread going but another climber at work who has only been climbing a year now called me out yesterday. He was one handing his saw hanging from rope only no laynard. I immediatly yelled at him to put his laynard on. He gave me a go to hell look but did it. As soon as he came down he said he wathced me do this just earlier that morning. I was out on a large poplar limb and reached way out and cut about half the limb off so it would clear another tree. I agreed I should have had mine on. But explained to him how he was cutting right next to his rope and the main stalk. I had to explain how my rope was behind me and nowhere near the saw and I was nowhere near the kickback zone. It was the fastest way to make that cut. I believe safe also. I agreed with him that I shouldn't do it and will try to lead by example from now on. I hate being called out like that. Monkey see monkey do. Can't always say do as I say not as I do.
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That sir is a perfect example of the reason for the rule(s).. an experieinced climber knows when he can "get away" with one handing, while a newbie doesn't. Its not practical to ask a highly experienced climber to follow the same rules that are designed for novices. BUT from an industry perspective there is no way to create a distinction between those that have the experience to know and those that don't, SO everyone is asked to follow the same rules. Its impractical, but there is no way to get around it.
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Daniel- Does this distinction also apply to wearing chaps while running a chainsaw on the ground?
Can we just hug it out. I feel there is too much aggression and a hug is the only way to get things back to normal. I'll meet anyone within a reasonable distance for said hug.
That being said. What is the standard if you only have one hand?! Does a hook or claw count? What about just thinking you really should have a second hand on it?
What about one handing a hippie out of a tree the loggers want to cut down? Look up some of those videos. I think oxman has a few of them up.
That being said. What is the standard if you only have one hand?! Does a hook or claw count? What about just thinking you really should have a second hand on it?
What about one handing a hippie out of a tree the loggers want to cut down? Look up some of those videos. I think oxman has a few of them up.
marlinspiker
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ill take my hugs in beers
treevet
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I'm calling BS on any distinction between novice and experienced climber and one handing...the notion is rubbish!
Add up the time savings from one handing and put it in a savings account. Then, when an accident or death occurs cash in the savings. There won't be enough to cover the tab. Result? Loss or bankruptcy
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A bit melodramitic I am thinking. Judicious use of one handed cutting has and always will be used. Should we all keep our heads in a hole for the good of the masses...perhaps.
I have been cut in the left hand 2 times by a 200/020. Both times it happened when someone, one time a ho and one time a brain dead gm, ran quickly under me and I had to release my second hand from the saw to catch the limb, and the chain and my hand occupied the same space at the same time. Mild scarring. Saved the person both times tho. Both times I finished the day's work without stiches.
Very lucky yes. Didn't you have a bad chainsaw accident I can remember not long ago Tom? You are an old timer like me. Didn't you one hand before you saw the light?
These standards are made for the dullest tool in the shed. Sometimes, like mentioned in the standard, it is safer to one hand. Safety is the object, not dogma.
I'm calling BS on any distinction between novice and experienced climber and one handing...the notion is rubbish!
Add up the time savings from one handing and put it in a savings account. Then, when an accident or death occurs cash in the savings. There won't be enough to cover the tab. Result? Loss or bankruptcy
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A bit melodramitic I am thinking. Judicious use of one handed cutting has and always will be used. Should we all keep our heads in a hole for the good of the masses...perhaps.
I have been cut in the left hand 2 times by a 200/020. Both times it happened when someone, one time a ho and one time a brain dead gm, ran quickly under me and I had to release my second hand from the saw to catch the limb, and the chain and my hand occupied the same space at the same time. Mild scarring. Saved the person both times tho. Both times I finished the day's work without stiches.
Very lucky yes. Didn't you have a bad chainsaw accident I can remember not long ago Tom? You are an old timer like me. Didn't you one hand before you saw the light?
These standards are made for the dullest tool in the shed. Sometimes, like mentioned in the standard, it is safer to one hand. Safety is the object, not dogma.
southsoundtree
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Olympia, WA
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I'm using my phone right now so I don't have access to the Z so that I can reference what qualifies as a TIP. From memory it talks about supporting the climber, second TIPs or lanyard anchorsust meet the same qualifications
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I figured that it must say something to that effect.
I wonder how much that rule gets followed.
I can say that for a lot of situations this would necessitate two climblines, and haven't heard this discussion.
Hope that this isn't too much of a derail. I think that possibly, the one-handing discussion has been beaten to death.
But back on that topic, actually, does anybody know if the British safety regs allow one-handing in some situations. I believe that I heard that, but didn't every see any verifiable source.
I'm using my phone right now so I don't have access to the Z so that I can reference what qualifies as a TIP. From memory it talks about supporting the climber, second TIPs or lanyard anchorsust meet the same qualifications
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I figured that it must say something to that effect.
I wonder how much that rule gets followed.
I can say that for a lot of situations this would necessitate two climblines, and haven't heard this discussion.
Hope that this isn't too much of a derail. I think that possibly, the one-handing discussion has been beaten to death.
But back on that topic, actually, does anybody know if the British safety regs allow one-handing in some situations. I believe that I heard that, but didn't every see any verifiable source.
robinia
Participating member
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- Ontario, Canada
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Daniel- Does this distinction also apply to wearing chaps while running a chainsaw on the ground?
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Do as Daniel says ! NOT as Daniel does!!!
Remember: Your gutter is in the box boyscout remote tripping big jon!!
Daniel- Does this distinction also apply to wearing chaps while running a chainsaw on the ground?
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Do as Daniel says ! NOT as Daniel does!!!
Remember: Your gutter is in the box boyscout remote tripping big jon!!
treevet
Branched out member
- Location
- Cincinnati, Ohio
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I'm using my phone right now so I don't have access to the Z so that I can reference what qualifies as a TIP. From memory it talks about supporting the climber, second TIPs or lanyard anchorsust meet the same qualifications
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I figured that it must say something to that effect.
I wonder how much that rule gets followed.
I can say that for a lot of situations this would necessitate two climblines, and haven't heard this discussion.
Hope that this isn't too much of a derail. I think that possibly, the one-handing discussion has been beaten to death.
But back on that topic, actually, does anybody know if the British safety regs allow one-handing in some situations. I believe that I heard that, but didn't every see any verifiable source.
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I don't think I would want to shock load a mini cender very much.
As for how much one handing has been beaten to death...think I remember one where cavemen were debating one hand clubbing as opposed to two for mating.
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I'm using my phone right now so I don't have access to the Z so that I can reference what qualifies as a TIP. From memory it talks about supporting the climber, second TIPs or lanyard anchorsust meet the same qualifications
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I figured that it must say something to that effect.
I wonder how much that rule gets followed.
I can say that for a lot of situations this would necessitate two climblines, and haven't heard this discussion.
Hope that this isn't too much of a derail. I think that possibly, the one-handing discussion has been beaten to death.
But back on that topic, actually, does anybody know if the British safety regs allow one-handing in some situations. I believe that I heard that, but didn't every see any verifiable source.
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I don't think I would want to shock load a mini cender very much.
As for how much one handing has been beaten to death...think I remember one where cavemen were debating one hand clubbing as opposed to two for mating.
treevet
Branched out member
- Location
- Cincinnati, Ohio
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Vet you crack me up, spewed my rice and sweet and sour chicken.
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Vet you crack me up, spewed my rice and sweet and sour chicken.
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