Rope bridge, finally. Now what knot?

I have used the Ashley stopper before (not on my harness, but on my boat). It is a nice looking knot and fairly easy to remember how to tie it. But when it hardens up, it can be a bit difficult to undo, at least on the particular rope I was using it on. Ashley is such a treasure. Must have been a neat guy. When I was on the canal tugs years ago, a number of us Ashley fans used to play a game of trying to stump each other as to what knot we were tying. That and a few bottles of wine got us through a lot of dreary weekends stuck somewhere dockside in the middle of nowhere.
 
John@TreeXP said:
If there were a reverse-spring, just strong enough to hold a bit more than the weight of an unloaded Safeguard on a slacked rope, I think it could resolve the slippage issue. I love the idea of a compact solid little device like a Safeguard that could work in this way, especially if it worked on 11mm-12.5mm ropes. It could effectively take on the out-of-production and well renowned Trango Cinch, arguably the best mechanical lanyard adjuster ever made. When it comes to using it as a rope-bridge adjuster, I'm still in favor of the RNL.
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Probably off topic and out of sequence, at this point, but I just wanted to mention the fact that Trango came out with a follow-on device that I think was supposed to replace the Cinch. I think it is supposed to have a bigger, easier to use handle on it. I have not heard much about it on the forums, though, which has me wondering why not? It seems like Trango put a lot of thought into the design of the Cinch, and made improvements to it, so I'm wondering why the new device is not as wildly popular as the Cinch used to be.

Here's a link:

www.trango.com

Vergo & React Screwlock

The Vergo emphasizes ergonomics and human-device interaction to deliver exceptionally safe performance. Clear physical and visual indicators reaffirm correct usage, and the geometry reduces the likelihood of misuse. There is never a need to override the device, even when feeding slack for a...
www.trango.com www.trango.com

Thanks for listening, and I would love to hear back from folks about what they think of the new version, or any second-hand stories they've heard about the new device. Thanks.

Tim

Edit: Also, I found this short video demo of the device by a knowledgeable user who makes a bunch of interesting comments about the device during the demo.

 
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TimBr said:
Probably off topic and out of sequence, at this point, but I just wanted to mention the fact that Trango came out with a follow-on device that I think was supposed to replace the Cinch. I think it is supposed to have a bigger, easier to use handle on it. I have not heard much about it on the forums, though, which has me wondering why not? It seems like Trango put a lot of thought into the design of the Cinch, and made improvements to it, so I'm wondering why the new device is not as wildly popular as the Cinch used to be.

Here's a link:

www.trango.com

Vergo & React Screwlock

The Vergo emphasizes ergonomics and human-device interaction to deliver exceptionally safe performance. Clear physical and visual indicators reaffirm correct usage, and the geometry reduces the likelihood of misuse. There is never a need to override the device, even when feeding slack for a...
www.trango.com www.trango.com

Thanks for listening, and I would love to hear back from folks about what they think of the new version, or any second-hand stories they've heard about the new device. Thanks.

Tim
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Maybe because it's packaged as a belay device. Supported rope diameters may be another factor limiting its popularity among tree climbers. ... just speculation.
 
John@TreeXP said:
Again, I'm not objecting to you using any of your own gear in any way you may see fit, but promoting yourself as an authority on the matter, while ridiculing the opposition and attempting to justify your methods in defiance of any manufacturer's guidelines is a slippery slope.
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And you are the authority? Your stubbornness is outta hand, writing a blog and a web page on rec climbing doesn’t gain you any cred.
Arborist are tinkerers, it wasn’t that long ago saddles looked like the MRCS. That’s because they were cobbled together pieces of cordage and bits of rigging home spliced.
95% of our gear was either home made or came from other industries used in a manner unintended..
If I remember correctly you are not a light weight, so I could imagine using a fat rope would generate a bit of heat.
I don’t care enough to look up the achieves to pull up the education I gave you on knot tying a month or two ago.
This is a shut up and listen moment. It’s not a popularity contest. Moss knows his shit and is a massive tinkerer, making and using new gear. Haven’t heard you call him out. Same with Richard, there is no way in hell a roll’n’lock is legit as a bridge adjuster (for one on mine). In fact there are very few “legit” bridge adjusters on the market.
So what? If the think slips there is a stopper knot. Shock load is a issue, not a huge one but it’s there.
When was the last time you used a chainsaw in a tree?
Hopefully I don’t sound too much like an ass, but I’m sick of rec climber tourists trying to speak to our industry as if they know better than us. It’s much like some big corporation telling climbers they have to use a oldschool butt strap and Blake’s for everything. Coming from a higher up who hasn’t climbed in 3 decades or perhaps never climbed
 
evo said:
And you are the authority? Your stubbornness is outta hand, writing a blog and a web page on rec climbing doesn’t gain you any cred.
Arborist are tinkerers, it wasn’t that long ago saddles looked like the MRCS. That’s because they were cobbled together pieces of cordage and bits of rigging home spliced.
95% of our gear was either home made or came from other industries used in a manner unintended..
If I remember correctly you are not a light weight, so I could imagine using a fat rope would generate a bit of heat.
I don’t care enough to look up the achieves to pull up the education I gave you on knot tying a month or two ago.
This is a shut up and listen moment. It’s not a popularity contest. Moss knows his shit and is a massive tinkerer, making and using new gear. Haven’t heard you call him out. Same with Richard, there is no way in hell a roll’n’lock is legit as a bridge adjuster (for one on mine). In fact there are very few “legit” bridge adjusters on the market.
So what? If the think slips there is a stopper knot. Shock load is a issue, not a huge one but it’s there.
When was the last time you used a chainsaw in a tree?
Hopefully I don’t sound too much like an ass, but I’m sick of rec climber tourists trying to speak to our industry as if they know better than us. It’s much like some big corporation telling climbers they have to use a oldschool butt strap and Blake’s for everything. Coming from a higher up who hasn’t climbed in 3 decades or perhaps never climbed
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I agree with your points and despite that, this is an open form where ALL climbers are encouraged to express their views, concerns, objections, etc. I've never claimed to be an authority on anything and make no claims concerning credibility, but I'm entitled to my opinions like everyone else, and I'm the first to say that I'm an imperfect being, as is everyone. Nonetheless,regardless of whether my concerns resonate with more or less individuals on here, or not, that's way beyond my control. On this board, I've found a full gamut of reactions to various comments and remarks from people posts, ranging from ignorant, biased and racist, to well informed and thoughtful responses. I accept that, however, when it comes to calling someone out for an issue that may place the safety of someone at risk, I will gladly be the first to step up and fall on my sword, when needed. Bottom line, I respect your comment and will strive to be more receptive and sensitive to other views being put forth.
 
evo said:
And you are the authority? Your stubbornness is outta hand, writing a blog and a web page on rec climbing doesn’t gain you any cred.
Arborist are tinkerers, it wasn’t that long ago saddles looked like the MRCS. That’s because they were cobbled together pieces of cordage and bits of rigging home spliced.
95% of our gear was either home made or came from other industries used in a manner unintended..
If I remember correctly you are not a light weight, so I could imagine using a fat rope would generate a bit of heat.
I don’t care enough to look up the achieves to pull up the education I gave you on knot tying a month or two ago.
This is a shut up and listen moment. It’s not a popularity contest. Moss knows his shit and is a massive tinkerer, making and using new gear. Haven’t heard you call him out. Same with Richard, there is no way in hell a roll’n’lock is legit as a bridge adjuster (for one on mine). In fact there are very few “legit” bridge adjusters on the market.
So what? If the think slips there is a stopper knot. Shock load is a issue, not a huge one but it’s there.
When was the last time you used a chainsaw in a tree?
Hopefully I don’t sound too much like an ass, but I’m sick of rec climber tourists trying to speak to our industry as if they know better than us. It’s much like some big corporation telling climbers they have to use a oldschool butt strap and Blake’s for everything. Coming from a higher up who hasn’t climbed in 3 decades or perhaps never climbed
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Nice post Evo.. Can I have your authorization to use "rec climber tourists"?
 
@TimBr I think the vergo is interesting, but it's hard to find in actual stores. I wanted to handle one this summer, but couldn't get my hands on one. And because they changed the side the rope comes out of it, I think it would be less useful.
@John@TreeXP the Grigri and Cinch are/were only marketed as belay devices as well.
Also, I believe there was a recall at some point on the vergo, but that has been fixed.
 
climbstihl said:
@TimBr I think the vergo is interesting, but it's hard to find in actual stores. I wanted to handle one this summer, but couldn't get my hands on one. And because they changed the side the rope comes out of it, I think it would be less useful.
@John@TreeXP the Grigri and Cinch are/were only marketed as belay devices as well.
Also, I believe there was a recall at some point on the vergo, but that has been fixed.
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I believe the earlier Grigri was recalled at one point too, regarding an issue about the handle. My understanding is that the Trango supported larger diameter ropes, which the Vergo now doesn't. I think Trangos pop up for sale at Ebay, now and then, as well.
 
It is a fatal mistake being made. Mb I'm wrong.
Too much guessing when the system is capable of being opened up to loose end . Did you clip to the closed end or the loose end?
Is that making sense?
 

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It is a fatal mistake being made. Mb I'm wrong.
Too much guessing when the system is capable of being opened up to loose end . Did you clip to the closed end or the loose end?
Is that making sense?
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I am too interested in this, it is news to me and something to think about.
I fly a TM most the time so I wonder if that would cause the lower ds to re Orient themselves in a less than desirable way....
What I'm also questioning is why is it safer than the manufacturer recommendations?
 
Few things can happen.
  1. Rope can be easily pulled out from the ring/lower-d outside the closed system
  2. arbclimber could be in position where visually it looks like the bridge is where it should be
  3. climber clips to bridge that is outside the closed loop/the knotted tail
It is tiny bit safer but not perfect. Perfect is anchored to d's tied or spliced in way that is not possible to clip to the dead end
 
GrIGir on the open end of bridge shows what could be fatal error
Rope bridge for me is used as a second for triangulating or to back up my primary.
 

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Few things can happen.
  1. Rope can be easily pulled out from the ring/lower-d outside the closed system
  2. arbclimber could be in position where visually it looks like the bridge is where it should be
  3. climber clips to bridge that is outside the closed loop/the knotted tail
It is tiny bit safer but not perfect. Perfect is anchored to d's tied or spliced in way that is not possible to clip to the dead end
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Ok I gotya now
If they don't clip into a ring(ie swivel pulley) on bridge they could clip into rope outside of your lower ds or rig paws?
If people transfer properly they unload one system slowly enough to load the next system, and if done right you know your clipped before unclipping the last tip
 
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