Rope bridge, finally. Now what knot?

It's a stop knot sure but doesn't do it's job completely yes or no?
Should be failsafe on the bridge side like another knot, keeper or block like we do with biners to keep things from cross loading.

Your experience is not mine sharing so no one dies.
 
RopeShield said:
It's a stop knot sure but doesn't do it's job completely yes or no?
Should be failsafe on the bridge side like another knot, keeper or block like we do with biners to keep things from cross loading.

Your experience is not mine sharing so no one dies.
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How would a stopper knot on the bridge side help with what you're describing? Which just to clarify again, is clipping in between the stopper knot and the D, correct? If you did that, the biner would just go over the stopper, so, how does a second stopper knot do anything?
 
locked in the same as spliced eye so no mistake in where to clip, no chance of confusing closed or open side
its just a precaution. We work pretty fuckin hard, fatigue sets, in mistakes are made so wh;y not add to your safety with a simple solution whether or not you see it as problem?
Some arbos may never get in a position for this type of failure I routinely do
 

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RopeShield said:
... Your experience is not mine sharing so no one dies.
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So when you are tired, do you clip onto random parts of your harness?

What you propose will not save a climber because it would be a thoughtless thing to do. What other part of the harness should we protect this thoughtless climber from clipping into? You want to save climbers, teach them to think.
 
Your point clearly demonstrates no thinking. "Teach them to think" come on now that is pretty fuckin ignorant. we build on what we know, they learn from what we know/experience and share so your point needs adjustment.
Please let me reiterate. It is a simple solution to a problem. not your problem, don't care for the solution, fine.
Harness manufacturers can look at this and find some value or not the point is it is new perspective.
 
does a chainsaw really need a chain brake?
Depends on who is using it, their level of competency etc.
The brake is there non the less for our protection in event of miscalculation.
You can ride a bike with out brakes just need to think ahead.
 
RopeShield said:
Your point clearly demonstrates no thinking. "Teach them to think" come on now that is pretty fuckin ignorant. we build on what we know, they learn from what we know/experience and share so your point needs adjustment.
Please let me reiterate. It is a simple solution to a problem. not your problem, don't care for the solution, fine.
Harness manufacturers can look at this and find some value or not the point is it is new perspective.
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Thanks rope
 
I was using chainsaws before they had chain brakes, so no, they don't need them. No triple locking carabiners either, yet here I am.

Thoughtful work practices that develop strong, safe, repetitive movement are what is needed to protect climbers during times of fatigue. Running a bridge line backwards through a D ring and thinking that will save lives is utter BS.
 
RopeShield said:
does a chainsaw really need a chain brake?
Depends on who is using it, their level of competency etc.
The brake is there non the less for our protection in event of miscalculation.
You can ride a bike with out brakes just need to think ahead.
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DSMc said:
I was using chainsaws before they had chain brakes, so no, they don't need them. No triple locking carabiners either, yet here I am.

Thoughtful work practices that develop strong, safe, repetitive movement are what is needed to protect climbers during times of fatigue. Running a bridge line backwards through a D ring and thinking that will save lives is utter BS.
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Is this whole conversation predicated on someone mistakenly trying to clip into the tails beyond the stoppers of their rope bridge/adjustable bridge? Ive never had a hard time following your posts Ropeshield, but I'm lost on what the actual concern is..
 
DSMc said:
I was using chainsaws before they had chain brakes, so no, they don't need them. No triple locking carabiners either, yet here I am.

Thoughtful work practices that develop strong, safe, repetitive movement are what is needed to protect climbers during times of fatigue. Running a bridge line backwards through a D ring and thinking that will save lives is utter BS.
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Have I just found a compatriot who dislikes triple action biners as much as I do? Fucking hate those things. Give me a good old twist lock any day..
 
Yeah, Rico, the older I get, the harder they are for me to use. Plus, even though they triple lock, you still can't click and forgetaboutit.
 
DSMc said:
I was using chainsaws before they had chain brakes, so no, they don't need them. No triple locking carabiners either, yet here I am.

Thoughtful work practices that develop strong, safe, repetitive movement are what is needed to protect climbers during times of fatigue. Running a bridge line backwards through a D ring and thinking that will save lives is utter BS.
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Check your biner is closed and clipped to the right end of the bridge.
Adding another turn backwards through the D ring seems to hold/lock the bridge in place with out much complication.
I started with 2 turns around and lately just the one-think that is good enough for me.
I have mistakenly clipped into the wrong end.
But like you say preloading and checking all things are set properly before trusting completely is "strong safe repetitive movement"
 
RopeShield said:
Check your biner is closed and clipped to the right end of the bridge.
Adding another turn backwards through the D ring seems to hold/lock the bridge in place with out much complication.
I started with 2 turns around and lately just the one-think that is good enough for me.
I have mistakenly clipped into the wrong end.
But like you say preloading and checking all things are set properly before trusting completely is "strong safe repetitive movement"
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Come on rope your suppose to fight about this!!!! Then fight your way into other topics and make us all feel stupid!

Seriously though, thank you for your thoughts... I might make eager new guys tie an extra stopper on their bridge till I feel their not so green anymore.

Triple double stoppers for the guys I don't want climbing ha
 
Oh dear lord in heaven what did I start... Nine pages?! I can't even read all of this without spending 2hrs, I see most of it is regarding adjustable bridges which I don't have.
So I'll just ask: is the community still in agreement that a single double overhand stopper on each side of the rope bridge rigging paws is sufficient PPE?
 
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