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Just asking since I like to use the tree as well and sit there perched at the next spot when the ball comes up But going down for a drink! com'on !I have done the two climber thing on some realy dead trees ,it worked well and safe as long as your both on the same page.But I dont think it is really necassary for most crane removals. /forum/images/graemlins/afightee.gif
 
2 climbers can not be as productive as 1. i will argue that until i'm wore out from doing all these removals by myself. and that was a 14' pole saw by the way thank you very much.
 
I have done many crane removals with and without a second climber. In most cases a crane is used on exceptionally large tree with difficult access. in my experience, 2 climbers is usually much faster than only one. I routinely work with a company that usually always brings me in for crane jobs. His climber and I usually always tag team the trees. I will climb high and set all the chokers and he will do the cutting, this works well for 2 climbers who can work in sync with each other. i will set a choker and hop over to the next lead to be picked, he will cut, when the hook returns i am awaiting with choker in place, hook it on and hop over to the next lead, so on and so on.
Being solo requires too much up and down in the tree, having done it both ways I'd put money on 2 climbers vs. 1 any day.
This of coarse depends on the structure of the tree, some trees it does not make sense for , but as i mentioned above we only use cranes on eceptionally large trees with ample room for 2 climbers.
 
two climbers doing a crane removal sounds like a Township job to me ,"where;s the coffee?". Ridiculous. There are alot of pros here keep that nonsense to yourself. Who's gonna pay two guys to take a tree down ? don't get me started. Like I said before ,"some people couldn't make money if they worked at the Franklin Mint." Find me a Tree in Minnasota that you need two guys to remove,please. Wheres the waitress at with my drink? Is this party started yet?
 
LMFAO Riggs! /forum/images/graemlins/applaudit.gif I gotta agree with ya on that one! I'm sure there are removals big enough to justify two climbers but I've never seen one. Maybe some of those Redwood trees or big Eucs out West?
 
Riggs,
cmon now. Ive been tag teaming crane trees for years on a sub basis. Do you really think i would still be doing it if it wasn't productive for my clients? I never said these trees couldn't be done without 2 climbers only that its faster with 2. If you cant understand that this is faster and far less fatigueing on the climber that is your problem. Keep on doing it your way, and Ill keep on doing mine. As far as making money, Im one of the highest payed subs in our area, my rate is near twice that of most subs. Do you really think I could get away with charging that if I wasn't truley worth it?
Cmon up to MN, Ill find you many trees that you'll wish you had another climber in.
Remember, people who come to this site are all tree climbers, so you do not have to play the " world's best tree guy" bit here we've all heard it before.
Sounds to me like your spewing a bunch of nonsense.
 
What exactly would "justify" 2 climbers in a tree vs. 1 ?
you guys all seem to think there is no justification in this.
How bout 2 or 3 hours shaved off the job site, the crane sent packing by noon, when it could of been 3:00 or even later. The saved labor,and expense is justification enough, isn't it?
 
hey Glenn is'nt there some other post about you and Rob tag teaming a tree one guy in the morn one guy in the afternoon hmmmmmmmmmm ha ha /forum/images/graemlins/applaudit.gif
 
Sorry Jsir, it can't be faster , the crane boom only moves so fast. This isn't a best tree guy thing . Some guys can run a tree and some guys just don't get it. Sounds like too many cooks in the kitchen. Tag teaming a removal with ropes and pulleys , splitting the job up is one thing . Playing you choke I'll cut in the same tree sounds like it must look "silly". I've been to the Mid - west , not interested. Show me a picture of this "dog & pony show"
 
Now Roach that wasn't a crane job . That was just a job where their was plenty of money to get Rob to help and I couldn't let him make all that money just lowering. He had to justify his presense.
 
Ok Riggs,
I agree with you that you cannot outrun the boom. This of coarse meaning that that lone climber can run the tree. But the vast majority of climbers that Ive seen cannot move that quickly and / or may tire very quickly. And at some point there can only be one climber. Dog and Pony show, thats cute. For me its been a luxury ive become comfortable with. Hired as a sub I am most often used on difficult and technical take downs, craners included. I am brought in as additional help and work with full crews climber(s) included. I cannot remember the last time I subbed and was the only climber on site.
Now, when I do my own work yes its a different story, I will do all the climbing. Even on large crane jobs. Having done it both ways, I prefer another climber because it is much less fatiguing. But i will still do them solo on my jobs because to me it would be an unnecesary added expense to the job. Or a waste of money(didn't you say that already?).
Having said that, and thought more about it, I will agree with you to some extent. The boom only moves so fast, 1 climber who can run the tree can match its pace.
The climbers that I generally get to work with are decent and competant climbers, but usually not fully comfortable or ready for certain things especially of a difficult nature, that is why I am there, basically to provide assistance where needed. And as long as they remain happy with my abilities and the work I produce with them, they can send the whole crew up the tree if they'd like. /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif
so for some companies which may not have that top notch climber, pairing him up with another climber is not a bad idea. Excellent hands on training.

Pics? I do have some.
 
Jsir and Riggs,

I know both of you and your abilities. Is it possible for both of you to be "right"? Seems like it could be :)

John, are you talking about doing Tony A's crane work? If so, Tony wouldn't put up with taking more time and costing more money :) Say HI to the gang at the MSA conference!
 
Hey Tom , good to hear from you. Yes, Tony's crew is who I primarily was refering, along with a few others. Yea you're right, Tony won't put up with inefficiency. They're a great bunch of guys to work with. We always make a good time of it.

Ill tell everyone you said Hi at the conference. It'll be strange not seeing you around at every workshop /forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Dont worry riggs and I can get along... I think were both just a little stubborn and stuck in our ways a bit /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
i'll do all the climbing, take all the money, and still send the crane packing by noon. i love my job and i love climbing but i refuse to sit around and wait for somebody to do something that i can do myself.ain't no reason for me to get paid for sitting around.if i'm sitting around it's on my couch or my bar stool.
 
I can not believe teti
I know for a fact that two guys in the tree on a crane job is a hazard and at least a hiderance. The same guy tying off repels down down to make the cut wether it is repeling off the hook as we are allowed in Arrowhead, or repeling from the tie off point. I do not know what you are thinking. It certainly is not production nor is it safety.
Honestly yours, Jeff Lovstrom
 
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