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If I were getting bids to have some pruning or a removal done... I don't want to see some lame in a suit. If I were having someone consult, like for tree inventory or construction mitigation... I don't want to see some lame in a suit.

Holly's right, the more suits you have to pay, the less you can pay the guys that actually touch the trees.

A business suit is basically a uniform for someone who thinks they're worth a lot more tan they actually are.

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I think Holly's suit comment you refer to is a bit of a stretch.

Mainly because of the topic context and the company's website showing how huge their territory is. When the men on that page are divided among the number of cities, its not any kind of excess.

And for that reason, I sense a bit of envy by some, at the success by certain professionals who know how to be successful in their market.

Their site also has photos of workers in hardhats with tools. Or the one guy minus tie with a cap in hand.

I suspect that this Arborwell company is providing a huge number of employment for those whom they hire, not to mention manufacturing jobs due to the products they purchase.

Odd are that if you put someone like Holly in charge of a company like this, in a matter of 2 years, half the jobs and customers would be lost. The Arborwell company appears to have a grip on how to market in their region.
 
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Odd are that if you put someone like Holly in charge of a company like this, in a matter of 2 years, half the jobs and customers would be lost.

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LMAO, nah If I was in chage of a company like that, and it ran and made money like it does. I'd be on my yacht most the time. In the monthly report meeting, I'd only ask one question can we get cheaper Latinos to climb and drag brush? My wife just asked for a hot tub in the yacht. I'll be the first to admit I lack some venues in this field. I'm a bit harsh and to the point. You'd be surprized how many real people in the world like and want to do biz with a person that does have the time or patience to spend hours blowing smoke up their arse. You my friend are a arse blower and you know it.

Besides in your world, if I run it, I can just hire yet one more snake oil salesperson in a suit, right????
 
The idea of tree people wearing business suits makes me feel uncomfortable, I'm not happy about it, not happy at all.

If I phone up looking for a tree company and the guy came to my door in a business suit I'd be extremely suspicious of his motives and question wether he was of morally sound character.

Arborwell......Arbornotwell.
 
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I'd be on my yacht most the time.

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Hey Holly, here's you in your yacht -

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I don't think any of us can say with certainty that Arborwell is a good or bad company, maybe they all dressed up and had their portraits done at once but wear coveralls every day... but a suit is a red flag as far as I'm concerned... and I know a LOT of'em.

Envious of their success? I don't know that they're all that successful, only that they think a business man appearance makes them LOOK successful. Websites like this are like CVs and resumes....waaay embellished if not outright lies.

And envious of anybody's success? Nope. I've been successful and unsuccessful in business... a couple of times each. The bottom line is, it ain't how hard you work or how smart you are it's who's a$$ you're willing to kiss. I'm happier now in my 'un-success' than I ever was making 6 figures. My only gripe is women all want the big income and all I have to offer is peace and great sex.
 
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The idea of tree people wearing business suits makes me feel uncomfortable, I'm not happy about it, not happy at all.

If I phone up looking for a tree company and the guy came to my door in a business suit I'd be extremely suspicious of his motives and question wether he was of morally sound character.

Arborwell......Arbornotwell.

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Sounds like you and a few other might have some business and professional cobwebs to dust away upstairs from the business marketing toolchest.

People in business should be free to wear whatever they want.

In the Portland area, I've really appreciated seeing some companies send their landscape or tree estimating people out in slacks, and a nice shirt. And footwear according to whatvever is needed, whether mud or concrete.

A mind and professional that does not know how to use both jeans and suits as needed, is a weak mind, in that its limited. The strong business folks will use everything at their disposal.

And in Arborwell's case, it looks like they simply prefer the better dress and upper end customers.
 
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I don't think any of us can say with certainty that Arborwell is a good or bad company, maybe they all dressed up and had their portraits done at once but wear coveralls every day... but a suit is a red flag as far as I'm concerned... and I know a LOT of'em.

Envious of their success? I don't know that they're all that successful,

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There may be two sides to news. But I'm not like some that sit around on a fat bohunkus when there is at least a company's list of information to begin with. That's a big piece of the puzzle.

One of Several Pages from Arborwell News and Press Releases

Something about the 1 million and 80 percent per year seems to spell "jobs".

Maybe Obama should take a lesson from companies like this on job "creation".

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A mind and professional that does not know how to use both jeans and suits as needed, is a weak mind, in that its limited.




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Exactly, and suits are pretty much inappropriate in a business that's done outside in all weather conditions and generally includes digging if not climbing. Even a good consultant gets down on his hands and knees fairly often. So yeah, weak minds. They're covering up the fact that they just don't like to work and would rather get paid for having someone else do the work as cheaply as possible. That IS how you make money in this country, right?

Suits are not comfortable, not practical indoors or out... they only LOOK good... and I look killer in one. If your mode of dress has one purpose, looking good, then you can't be an arborist. We have a lot more practical reasons behind how we dress. Suits are to project an image, usually a false one. Even for weddings and funerals I stick to a sport jacket and braces.

Sales people are different, they HAVE to look good, it's part of their trade, so no biggie if all you're doing is cutting deals. But if you're cutting wood?
 
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i dont trust tree guys in ties.

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Really?!

I'm crushed
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This is my favorite tie too!

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sorry! you look a bit more genuine then most, hahaha
 
Nice, $7.2M and 48 employees. That's $150,000 per. I'd love to see how that divvies out between the smiling faces and the guys that get dirty. You pretty much proved my point for me.
 
One thing that stood out in that news release I linked to in my last reply, was "avoid bidding".

I recall how many times I've read tree service worker or company owner posts about estimating problems, or price gouging, or the hack under-bidding.

It's clear where these Arborwell folks are headed and the goals they have set. The customer base where bidding starts to become inconsequential.

Reminds me of an arborist in this area saying that he really appreciates customers sent to him, where they are not even after other bids.
 
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Nice, $7.2M and 48 employees. That's $150,000 per. I'd love to see how that divvies out between the smiling faces and the guys that get dirty. You pretty much proved my point for me.

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My first estimation is that you don't know, for starters. Since you wrote "to see".

And second, not really a guess, is that quite few folks made the choice to work there and most likely didn't go in blind about what the wage was.
 
No, I don't know, that's why I'd like to. Your point?

Mario, you're a hopeless hyper-conservative... I'm sure you'd fit right in with those guys. Maybe you can get an Armani holster for you Secatuers. You guys can use the motto Videri quam esse.

I'll stick with my tree climber pants and wicking t-shirts since I'm what you see is what you get kinda guy.
 
If they don't I can send you some black spray paint... you want matte or glossy?

Actually, I would dig a stylin' Italian leather holster for my hand pruners and fine pruning saw... maybe Benetton has'em.
 
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No, I don't know, that's why I'd like to. Your point?



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My point is already expressed in the earlier posts. But if you need a translator ...

Just because I have pitch and scars on my arms does not mean that I should be only limited to just dressing like a pig, or in jeans, when the whole range dress options is available.


And yeah, I can fit right in with those guys in suits, just like I can with folks in jeans. Or just like the folks I hung out with a couple of weeks ago with the rings through their lips dressed all in black.

On another note, Davey at their site mixes up the dress just as Arborwell did. Davey even has a page with the Entomologist Expert...

Davey's folks in the White Coats

Nice to see these companies putting their professionalism out there on their websites. And likewise, both companies included their caps, hardhats, bucket trucks and more.

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What an interesting bunch of replies here....

Just because the people listed have certs doesn't mean they are field workers & should be in work clothes. It doesnt mean they will turn up to a worksite dressed like that.

How come there is so much difficulty in understanding that such a large company needs a range of people in different positions, with different tasks & responsibilities.

You can't have a company consist of 48 field workers in work clothes.

They would have nothing to do.

Who is going to market, sell, manage & adminster $7.2mil of work?

Businessmen/women.

There is a lot that goes on to make that happen before a chainsaw is even started.

In this case it seems to be businessmen WITH arb certs, which has at least gotta be better than it being run by everyday businessmen WITHOUT any idea about arb.

I'm not saying you cant do a quote in your work clothes, win the job, do it, go home & do the paperwork all while still in your chainsaw pants, but you sure aint gonna do $7.2mil of it on your own.

And you sure wont be winning prestigeous jobs at the highest price like that either.

It's very easy to be a GREAT working arborist but SUCK at running a business. Then sit round complaining about why your tree business is struggling & blame everything else but your own lack of business skills.
 
LAst time and I'll be quiet. SUITS do not make one PROFESSIONAL... conduct and results do. There is simply no reasonable place for a suit in arboriculture... wear one if you speak publicly if you want but it still seems insincere. And dressing in work appropriate clothing isn't dressing like a pig. In fact only an arrogant pig would make a comment like that.

I don't worry about companies like Arborwell, we don't share many prospective customers. Mine like REAL peaople not fakes they don't want a suit do anything with their trees.

And as far as a $7.2M company having to have suits... why?

Yes, you need managers and clerks, maybe even a scientist or two... and none of them have any purpose for wearing a suit. Suits are lies that you wear to cover up who you really are.

I'll leave you to your hero worship Mario, this is a waste of time.
 
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LAst time and I'll be quiet. SUITS do not make one PROFESSIONAL... conduct and results do. There is simply no reasonable place for a suit in arboriculture... ....

And as far as a $7.2M company having to have suits... why?


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It's rather crystal clear.

That company has shown about 7,200,000 answers why suits can work in arboriculture, even if just in their website.

And 7,200,000 answers why they are prepared to manage and handle their market better than some others.



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Right cuz making lots of money is the only real measure of success, eh?

I guess Goldman-Sachs has even more reasons why they are prepared to manage and handle their market so well.
 
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