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I guess I'm going to butt out of this post. I have concluded that when it comes to tree care, demographics is everything.

More power to the suit dudes, but for me, I'm just trying to get a nut.
 
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I can't imagine how the crew could pay for all those suit salaries. They must get HIGH $$$, big commercial contracts and work for million/billionairs.

It reminds me of how big businesses and governments pay more for a landscape architect to come up with a design of what to plant where than doing the actual work costs.

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I don't know about that ...

Seems like your post reminds me of someone who doesn't pay attention to details.

Is seems like you did not read their website. They are spread between Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Jose and other areas.

So their staff is appropriately sized. There are companies in Portland here which have up to 5 or more Certified Arborists, and Portland is not even as big as the 3 largest cities shown there in California at their page.
 
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Is that FamilyTree coming out of the CA test? Nice suit Marc.
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most companies with lots of deadweight in the office are profitable. but how are the guys on the ground treated? are they taking advantage of immigrant labor? im sorry but i dont see alot of lee room for huge staffs on the returns from tree work.
 
It's all about the numbers, after so many years in the biz you find the big guys run lean and mean lows numbers paid. They have to pay for the suit he cost more and in their eyes is worth it, I can hire any smuck to climb and cut for what I want!!! Small guys seem to pay more cuase they've had to do the work themselves and know YOUR WORTH it any jerk can sell work.
 
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most companies with lots of deadweight in the office are profitable. but how are the guys on the ground treated? are they taking advantage of immigrant labor? im sorry but i dont see alot of lee room for huge staffs on the returns from tree work.

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Or, but how are the guys in management treated?

And is there deadweight on the ground?

Same argument goes both ways.

The idea of excess Certified Arborist staff management in tree companies these days can be an inconsequential concern. There is a vast number of tree services far short of Certified Arborists both in the office and on the ground. Or short of management, consultants and climbers who are equal or better than the Certified Arborist equivalent.
 
Just what are they selling anyways (mdvaden ). I'll tell yea, they are selling the fact that some asmuch that only knows 60% of what needs to be known about trees. Is pushing the best he can to make the money with no remores about the trees. Hit and Hit them hard get what you can before they go with someone cheaper. No matter how you look at it when you see a suit you see a guy just beggin to take your money.
 
They provide a full range of arboricultural services and charge accordingly. What is the problem with all of you who supposedly espouse the virtues of the free market? This is the upper end of it. They go in they assess the client's needs and present their proposed solution and the cost of that solution. If the client agrees to pay the price then what is the problem???

Is it that you can't accomplish the same thing? They get bigger bucks for their work than you? Too bad, so sad. Get the education and the paper then sell the damn stuff to the market place at a rate you feel your worth but be prepared to say no to someone not willing to pay your price.

I worked for someone who had a client that was a classmate of his. Same degree, same teachers, etc... the difference was the career paths they chose. One became a consultant demanding big bucks and getting it, the other went out on his own and asked for little bucks AND got them.

Can you say FREE MARKET CAPITALISM??

Get over it or get to it. Your choice but don't besmirch them for having achieved it.
 
I can see both sides of this. I am as blue collar as they get, I wonder about the guys who work in offices and wear suits and why they make more than the guy doing the dirty work? Guess what, that guy making three times as much as me in the suit also wonders about the guy in jeans and t-shirt out sweating in the sun doing manual labor.

If this guy sitting in an office, pretending to work, is surfing the web to find someone to take down his tree, all he sees is an image on a web page. I want this guy because he may be more like me, and my neighbors will see this and be jealous that they had some "other" company.

I may not agree with this way of thinking, but we are all guilty of it in our own way. My Grandpa was a mechanic in a small town. He wore grease stained clothes and did manual labor, but every Sunday he wore a suit to church, and I am sure that no one in that town thought that he was an incompetant mechanic - just some food for thought.
 
I used to wear a suit and tie for my job. Had six or seven of the former, several dozen of the latter. It was required, part of a uniform. I enjoyed how I looked, but even then I realised it was a pretension.

An affectation.

My doctor does not even bother with a tie anymore.

Nor does my financial advisor.

Good for arborwell if they think it helps, but a jacket and tie does not impress me.

I can imagine there are people who would still be impressed.


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Is it that you can't accomplish the same thing? They get bigger bucks for their work than you? Too bad, so sad. Get the education and the paper then sell the damn stuff to the market place at a rate you feel your worth but be prepared to say no to someone not willing to pay your price.


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Nay I doubt it's this at all. It's more like those are the type of rape artist that take the customer for what they can no matter what. Top it down below the gutter sure thing mama 900, trees look sick they need nothing but nitro fert, 600. I've worked them all I know the games any polo shirt, suit wearer is a snake oils sale.
 
This kind of hits close to home with me, especially this week. I work for a company here in South Carolina, been working for them for some time. I checked out our website the other night and was amazed to see that all the office jockies got all the photos that were on the site! It seemed somewhat ridiculous to me. Why should some one who answers phones and shuffles papers all day be the primary focus of a tree service website? I don't begrudge them their money. But the reality is that the work will get done by someone who is not in a suit. Someone who gets dirty, who bleeds their own life blood into their work. Someone who puts their own life on the line willingly, every day. A suit means nothing to me. But you're right, I'm sure it keeps all their clients feeling safe in their gated communities when a perfectly manicured sales guy drives up in spotless little car to tank another bid.
 
I think all the fuss is just that arborists in suits seems odd and goes againist most of our personalities. Most of us end the day cleaning the saw dust out of our pockets and stretching our wrist flexors in attempt to postpone the inevitable carpal tunnel (and I do have a college education). From my experience, arborists in general are humble and down to earth and our profession is unique, important and very challenging both mentally and physically. I do get upset when the sales staff are certified arborists and razzle and dazzle the clients and then send out the new employee of the week to prune the trees. Not saying this company does this, but it is common practice.

Maybe they did just dress up for the mug shots and we are gossiping, but arborists that look like politicians doesn't process well in my mind.

Maybe this type of upper echelon business is just what we need to further give the industry a higher standard of respect and recognition, lord knows we could use that!
 
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But you're right, I'm sure it keeps all their clients feeling safe in their gated communities when a perfectly manicured sales guy drives up in spotless little car to tank another bid.

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OOO snap, bamm in the juggles, take that you 70% ca's that never worked a tree before.
 
My problem is the assumption that to be considered 'professional' you have to put on ridiculous airs like wearing a suit. Suits have no place in arboriculture other than standing behind podiums. Like Northwind said, it's an affectation, it's not natural for a person who works with trees.

We don't need to 'look' a certain way to raise the level of professionalism, we need to DO more, pay our people more and get reliable results. That means DIGGING and climbing and looking and cutting. Wear a suit to continuing ed classes if you want but I've never seen a guy in a suit excavating a root crown.

MDVaden is right, a lot of people think it takes a suit to be professional... because they either wear a suit themselves or they are stupid. Professionalism is about conduct and results, not appearances.

I don't trust anyone wearing a suit and tie to work... and I wore one for years. It became evident that the better dressed a guy was, the slipperier he was... less professional, not more.

I won't argue certification, it cuts two ways and if done right would be a genuine value. But I've met several 'arborists' with all kinds of certs that have never climbed, never seen a live flower high in a tulip tree, never experienced the differences in tree structure, never seen the canopy firsthand... get all the certs you want but if you've never climbed, you aren't an arborist, find another job title. Hell, maybe 'Certified Arborist' should be reserved for guys who read about trees more than they touch them.
 
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Just what are they selling anyways (mdvaden ). I'll tell yea, they are selling the fact that some asmuch that only knows 60% of what needs to be known about trees. Is pushing the best he can to make the money with no remores about the trees. Hit and Hit them hard get what you can before they go with someone cheaper. No matter how you look at it when you see a suit you see a guy just beggin to take your money.

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I can tell what they are selling.

Is it a fair wager that they sell more than you?

Would you be wiilling to guarantee that your best is better than the best they have to offer?



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Would you be wiilling to guarantee that your best is better than the best they have to offer?


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Though I've never met any from there, I've worked for most of the suit and tie companies around my local. I'd put a wager up that my work is as good if not better then any they have.

Don't forget they pay them suit guys a sweet amount, this leaves little for the ones that really do the work. In return they push the High end of paper certs but higher the cheapest hacks they can to do it.
 
If I were getting bids to have some pruning or a removal done... I don't want to see some lame in a suit. If I were having someone consult, like for tree inventory or construction mitigation... I don't want to see some lame in a suit.

Holly's right, the more suits you have to pay, the less you can pay the guys that actually touch the trees.

A business suit is basically a uniform for someone who thinks they're worth a lot more tan they actually are.
 
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