Nice Arborist Professional Image Page

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Right cuz making lots of money is the only real measure of success, eh?

I guess Goldman-Sachs has even more reasons why they are prepared to manage and handle their market so well.

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And you wrote ...

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LAst time and I'll be quiet. SUITS do not make one PROFESSIONAL... conduct and results do.

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Pick your tangent to argue. But here you are criticizing a successful company, yet one post later, you don't follow-through with your words.


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You're right, I failed to follow through... because I simply could not let you're absurd statement stand about corporate income equaling the ability to serve one's customers.

And I'm not criticizing Arborwell, I don't know them from Adam. I'm criticizing the concept that a bunch of guys in suits equates to professionalism... it doesn't. Neither does big income. Maybe Arborwell is the most professional company on the planet but a trumped up website is no indicator.

If you direct something at me, I will respond... if I feel like it.

But this thread is a waste of time and your high minded smugness is really annoying.
 
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Few of us may be sure what you are doing, because you managed to confuse the content of replies at several points.

But here's one page from Arborwell with a hardhat worker, not a suit of course.

Arborwell Removal Page

Best I can tell, is that your boundaries for marketing are just not as broad as Arborwell. Hard to pinpoint if its envy, but I find it odd when folks don't appreciate how other companies can present a clean image that fits their region.

For others ...

Here's another outfit that does a good job marketing too ...

Collier Arbor Care

One more company that tailors their presentation to the local market and niche as they choose. In this case, the staff all have embroidered shirts and cut and shave.

One big aspect is determining our markets and using the full dress code to our disposal. And that's where Blinky hasn't put 2 + 2 together.

Also about Collier Arbor Care ....

On this page ...

Collier Home Page ~ Hard Hat and Japanese Maple

They are flexible about images and what they convey. It could change, but when I posted today, it was a worker with safety glasses and hardhat pruning a weeping laceleaf Japanese maple. Other folks may choose a cap for this kind of photo. They used to have a photo of the same tree grove in all 4 seasons. Basically, the company is versatile and fluid.
 
Dude, if anybody here is going all over the place it's you. Check my first post in this thread. I'm on my message and have strayed very little. Further, when I give solid response you overlook them and start arguing about how I argue.

Use any dress code you want, all I'm saying... and hopefully since it's the umpteenth time you'll get it through your uttery closed mind is that SUITS DO NOT EQUATE TO PROFESSIONALISM... and in fact are coming to represent slippery, slimy money pigs and religious zealots rather than skilled trades people.

You said Arborwell's site is nice and professional and I asked since when does a bunch of guys in suits equate to professional. I'll stand by that and I'm guessing you're the one most people here aren't getting.

You're not talking to a guy who's spent his whole life in the field, I spent a couple of decades as a professional engineer and a senior manager... at a $22M company... woooeee... 22M reasons why I know more about suits than you,eh? (before anybody goes off on that... it was tongue in cheek).

I know plenty about marketing and targeting customers and you're right, some people want suits... by all means, please take them, I don't want ignorant customers... but then again, I don't want to be a big company either. I'm trying to live on as little as I can get by with because every dollar I spend means resources are consumed, waste is generated. I'm not trying to create jobs... people work WITH me, not for me.

What I'm trying (futilely) to get across is, clothing has NOTHING to do with results. It does have something to do with conduct though. Tree care professionals belong in clothes they can work in while outside, playing in the dirt and feeling the weather. The idea that to be professional we have to dress inappropriately is just stupid. The idea that getting dirty is lowbrow is not only stupid, it's prejudice. The message to the public is, suit companies are more professional and there is ZERO evidence to support that. Do they make more money? Probably, but still, nothing to do with professionalism.

What's wrong with people respecting a guy in overalls as much as a guy in a suit? You don't know anything about either one except the suit guy spent a lot of money to look good, the overalls guy didn't. What the business of arboriculture needs is ever increasing professional behavior and public education... and I'd just as soon we didn't tell the public that only well dressed arborists are the professional ones. Besides, I think Arborwear is styling.
 
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That is the free market in action.

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I understand that there has got to be huge markups going on with a company like that. There are other national arborist companies who don't blink and eyelash to charge 3 or 4 times what I charge. Heck, I'm having a difficult time with marking my prices up 10%.

If a customer willfully pays for higher priced images, I guess that is their choice.
 
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Small guys seem to pay more cuase they've had to do the work themselves and know YOUR WORTH it any jerk can sell work.

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Totally true Ed. If you all knew what I paid my groundsman, you'd think I was crazy. Sometimes I think I'm crazy... But, I work right along side him. I reward him for his time, pains, & efforts. Because, after all, he is helping me acheive financial independence (a.k.a. Self Employment).
 
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Hit and Hit them hard get what you can before they go with someone cheaper...

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Ed has some time under his belt. He's right on. Sometimes a little extreme to make a point, but he's "calling a spade a spade."

There are a couple of companies, in my area, with this approach (Ed is referring to). What I don't get is, they are in TCIA mags, they sponsor major conferences, they have employees representing them at ITCC's, etc...

But, their mal-pruned trees speak the truth of how they operate.

My point is...
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Mario was giving credit for the nice image Arborwell is creating. Yes. It is very nice and professional. But, does their final results on the trees back up their nice image?

IMO. If they pass that test, then they can charge what ever they want. Just do quality arboriculture.

Okay... I digress.
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Dude, if anybody here is going all over the place it's you. Check my first post in this thread. I'm on my message and have strayed very little. ...

Use any dress code you want, all I'm saying... and hopefully since it's the umpteenth time you'll get it through your uttery closed mind is that SUITS DO NOT EQUATE TO PROFESSIONALISM... and in fact are coming to represent slippery, slimy money pigs and religious zealots rather than skilled trades people.

You said Arborwell's site is nice and professional and I asked since when does a bunch of guys in suits equate to professional. I'll stand by that and I'm guessing you're the one most people here aren't getting.

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<font color="red"> For context, you - blinky - also wrote ... </font>


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website is well designed and polished but a list of arborists wearing suits makes me laugh... more guys with lots of certs that have never even been into a canopy.

You wanna call those guys researchers or something that's fine, but real arborists touch trees every day.

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Looks like you were wandering to me.

Nothing wrong with chosing either "2" over here, or "2" over there figuratively speaking. But I think Arborwell and others can clearly put 2 + 2 togeher and pick which ever "2" they they want.

If we are called by homeowners or corporate owners who dress nice, and view them as coming to represent slippery, slimy money pigs, we will not be doing ourselves or our the arborist profession any favors.
 
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My problem is ... ...It became evident that the better dressed a guy was, the slipperier he was... less professional, not more.

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This comment also stood out.

You wrote about a lot of other stuff too, but in relation to your last couple of replies, this part seemed worth quoting too.

As one who does not hold a grudge against people in suits, I can't understand this kind of mindset.

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Here in Austin I find there is a big distrust for suits, which is just fine by me as I dont own one. In my website I present myself exactly how I am at work and I have had many people tell me I look very professional. If you deal with trees, dress with clothes you feel comfortable wearing while you are climbing or whatever you do with trees, even when you meet with clients. Works well for me and I have a lot of snobby wealthy customers.
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I'm reading a book called You Inc. (The Art of Selling Yourself) I highly recommend it. By Beckwith.
In it he says 'people buy you with their eyes.' Watch your visuals carefully.
Be mindful of who your target market is. Know your customer. Being mindful begins when you open your closet.
The 'suits' in the opening post definitely know their target market. Their target market is people with enough money to pay suits to pay people to manage the job that gets done by people with dirt under their nails.
To be successful (get the job) we must make the customer comfortable. Appearance and dress are a big part of that.
If you don't care how the customer feels about your appearance then you don't care about the customer. And if you don't care about the customer should you expect to get the job?
Different markets (customers) = different appearances.
 
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Looks like you were wandering to me.

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I'm sorry it's such a struggle for you to keep up... rigid minds are like that though.

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Nothing wrong with chosing either "2" over here, or "2" over there figuratively speaking. But I think Arborwell and others can clearly put 2 + 2 togeher and pick which ever "2" they they want.

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??? OK, now I'm struggling to keep up.

I wonder if your perspective is colored by the fact that you rarely if ever climb trees... am I right about that? One more question, is the Limbwalker website a 'Nice Arborist Professional Image Page' to you... or do they dress like pigs?

You haven't addressed my points, only complained that I was wandering when I repeated what I'm trying to say in almost every post. Arguing with you is like swimming in mud.
 
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<font color="red"> Blinky wrote </font> I'm sorry it's such a struggle for you to keep up... rigid minds are like that though ...... I wonder if your perspective is colored by the fact that you rarely if ever climb trees... am I right about that? One more question, is the Limbwalker website a 'Nice Arborist Professional Image Page' to you... or do they dress like pigs?


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Sorry to hear this is a struggle for you. About the Limbwalker site, your question is alreasy answered in my previous replies. Not sure why you make this so difficult for yourself.

Now to keep this simple, here is a repeat of my earlier reply. It quotes some statements you made, which may indicate why you are struggling with this so much.


Let's keep it simple. Let me repeat my last post which quotes some of your previous replies.


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<font color="red"> Blinky wrote </font> Dude, if anybody here is going all over the place it's you. Check my first post in this thread. I'm on my message and have strayed very little. ...

Use any dress code you want, all I'm saying... and hopefully since it's the umpteenth time you'll get it through your uttery closed mind is that SUITS DO NOT EQUATE TO PROFESSIONALISM... and in fact are coming to represent slippery, slimy money pigs and religious zealots rather than skilled trades people.

You said Arborwell's site is nice and professional and I asked since when does a bunch of guys in suits equate to professional. I'll stand by that and I'm guessing you're the one most people here aren't getting.

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<font color="red"> Blinky wrote </font> website is well designed and polished but a list of arborists wearing suits makes me laugh... more guys with lots of certs that have never even been into a canopy.

You wanna call those guys researchers or something that's fine, but real arborists touch trees every day.

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... If we are called by homeowners or corporate owners who dress nice, and view them as coming to represent slippery, slimy money pigs, we will not be doing ourselves or our the arborist profession any favors.
 
So, I assume this is where you addressed the Limbwalker site? Drink much Mario?

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Few of us may be sure what you are doing, because you managed to confuse the content of replies at several points.

But here's one page from Arborwell with a hardhat worker, not a suit of course.

Arborwell Removal Page

Best I can tell, is that your boundaries for marketing are just not as broad as Arborwell. Hard to pinpoint if its envy, but I find it odd when folks don't appreciate how other companies can present a clean image that fits their region.

For others ...

Here's another outfit that does a good job marketing too ...

Collier Arbor Care

One more company that tailors their presentation to the local market and niche as they choose. In this case, the staff all have embroidered shirts and cut and shave.

One big aspect is determining our markets and using the full dress code to our disposal. And that's where Blinky hasn't put 2 + 2 together.

Also about Collier Arbor Care ....

On this page ...

Collier Home Page ~ Hard Hat and Japanese Maple

They are flexible about images and what they convey. It could change, but when I posted today, it was a worker with safety glasses and hardhat pruning a weeping laceleaf Japanese maple. Other folks may choose a cap for this kind of photo. They used to have a photo of the same tree grove in all 4 seasons. Basically, the company is versatile and fluid.

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