"New" throwbags

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So you are saying it is a copy but it isn't the same??? Ahh, I see, same but different? Hmmmmmm....

H - stitching or 2 paralell lines with a perpendicular line....that could be trademarked if it was worth protecting. Adrian Dassler trademarked 3 lines...(adidas)

I hear a lot of whinging. Competition makes for a healthy market place. Euro copies of the BS popped up because 175 Euro or whatever outrageously high price was a bit much.

Like other products, the inventors enjoyed exclusivity during the time first adapters were willing to pay a premium for this "new" product. Now it isn't new and it is more of a commodity item. Time for competition and a more affordable product.

Sorry to hear that MonkeyMulch (ekka) had a bag break. Sure that Weaver will take that into consideration.

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We save our a$$ kickery for climbing trees

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btw - my weaver bags from Sherrill have held up GREAT
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We are all in this together to share ideas and to get along.
If we didn't share why would we need this forum to communicate? With Weaver Leathers history of making quality products I'm sure there is no problem with them making improvements to an already great tool.
As someone said earlier give credit where credit is due.... and then allow someone to make it better
 
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Is that guy in the blue holding a Harrison Rocket?




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That could also be Andy trying to keep hold of it. Are you the guy behind him Nathan?
 
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Looks like they could both use a friction saver!!!
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Forums can be places where info is freely exchanged and we can all be better arbs as a result, TB often achieves that thanks to the quality of most of the people who post.

It was really great that Tobe posted his piece about the throw bags, but protection of original ideas is a real grey area thats why so many lawyers make good money from the outcome of disputes over it!

Sometimes in debate or discussion or arguement (which ever term you prefer) we try to get to a satisfying conclusion, the last word or the winning point, but more often than not such a conclusion does not exist, most of us are going to have to agree to disagree and thats not a bad thing
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.....the bad thing is when some of us can't manage to fit the reality into our monochrome view of the world and the people that we believe inhabit it.
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.....the bad thing is when some of us can't manage to fit the reality into our monochrome view of the world and the people that we believe inhabit it.

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GREAT POST
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That could also be Andy trying to keep hold of it. Are you the guy behind him Nathan?

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Share, work with others, meet market demands and reap the rewards.

Or keep it for yourself. Normally I would say pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. But in the case of that pic, pigs get fat, hogs get.........
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'Monochrome'

I'll admit to having to look that up and you're not too far away Sean, but its partially by choice may I add. No room for exceptions or comparitive excuses in my narrow minded view of the world, its all black and white, a spade is a spade, a rat is a rat.
 
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No room for exceptions or comparitive excuses in my narrow minded view of the world, its all black and white, a spade is a spade, a rat is a rat.

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Sounds like there is also no room for logic and reason
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Reg, I wasn't trying to say that having a strongly held opinion is a bad thing, its not...and judging from the many posts I have read from you here and in many other forums I'd hazard a quess to say we share a very similar view of the world
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We do have some limited ability to influence the manufacturers of the tools we use, since we are the ones exchanging our hard earned for those products....I don't own the Sherrill version of Andy's throw bag and won't buy one...I'll replace the Harrison rocket when it finally busts open, a bigger part of the problem for Andy is that his bags are too resiliant even for a crap line setter like me, so it will be a fair while till I have to replace it.
 
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You're starting to grow on me Nathan, you make me laugh
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and quit re-editing your posts while your at it. A Monochrome-type guy would never feel the need to do that!
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Typical made in china...

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Pretty sure it's been said a few times that they're Made in Ohio.........and I checked there's no town called China in Ohio..........so where's the confusion?
 
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Typical made in china...

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Pretty sure it's been said a few times that they're Made in Ohio.........and I checked there's no town called China in Ohio..........so where's the confusion?

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O hio in China. It's probably O hio
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Folks,

Today's report; Weaver (the Ohio manufacturer of the throw weight being discussed) reports that there was "a strength issue" in production of the first 650, 12 and 16 ounce units that were shipped to SherrillTree. We have since moved these weights through inventory. Given SherrillTree's self-imposed 6-month warranty on this product, anyone who has one break will be reimbersed.

In essence Weaver had 3 fabric patterns designed for weights (6, 10 & 14 ounce) and were squeezing 8, 12 and 16 ounces into those patterns. To fix the bursting issue they had two new dies made for 12 and 16 (8 ounces wasn't heavy enough to burst the material). Clear as mud?

In addition we'll soon receive 10 & 12 oz weights with large rings for use with friction savers!

In time we may elect to drop warranty on the 14+ ounce versions because after testing i'm not sure any material can withstand containing 14+ ounces of shot falling 30+ meters onto pavement. The fabric has proven to take only so much. How about another fabric?

Climb safe.
 
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"How about a different fabric?"

Cordura has some characteristics that lends itself to items like this. But, ballistics cloth is a fiber of another construction that is even more durable. I've got a laptop backpack made from ballistics cloth that's travelled with me for about six years and looks as good as new.

When I see any throwbags break it is because the material doesn't have the right thread count compared to the stitching. What happens over time is that the fabric loosens up and frays. that was just fine when I was in high school and we cut the bottoms off of our bell bottoms but now that I've grown up...not really...I know that isn't the best thing to happen.

For another spin on the throwbag story we should turn the history book back to the page where Tom Ness and Sophia Sparks, later to form New Tribe, came up with the throwbag like we know it. There were some other concepts out there but I believe that they were the first company to go into manufacturing after a design process. After their design was in place did NT get a royalty from the other throwbag manufacturers? Sadly, no...

Denny Moorehouse of ISC said it best one time...who 'invented' the first carbiner? They deserve a royalty check."

That said, it's going to take a lot of convincing for me to stop using Harrison Rockets. They do have 'something' about them...
 
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