"New" throwbags

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It seems as though not many people have a good imagination or the initiave to create a better product. I made 5 throwbags this past winter and i still have all of them with all original stitching. These bags are made of readily available materials and if you have a scale, are custom weighted. Use some Imagination and quit waiting for others to make "IT". WE are "others" and we should be making and patenting this $hit!!! QUIT CRYING
 
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Hi Tobe, thanks for hanging in there with this thread, I’m glad you can appreciate people wanting to say how they feel about issues such as this one, I hope something positive can come as result of all the feedback.

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Finally, and to my knowledge the throw weight is made in Ohio, USA.

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Is that a 100% yes, they are definitely all made in the USA ?

I didn’t know about the BigShot etc, sorry to hear about that, but I don’t believe that two wrongs make a right either!

Also, while this thread has certainly highlighted some uncomfortable realities, for me, the most unfortunate of all is the bleak message it sends out to the next generation of aspiring Good, Falthiemer and Harrison type innovators, in highlighting who definitely <u>not</u> to trust! Or worse still, destroy the incentive to develop the idea at all. In the event of the latter, we’ll all lose out!

Sorry man, although I’m only a minor contributor of posts compared with most of the other members on TB, I do try to make a conscious effort to highlight the positives of those threads which I do actually get involved with , however, I’m really struggling with this one. In fact, I think the whole thing really sucks.

Mountain out of a molehill some might say, well if you’ve recently bought a product that you’re quite impressed with, try to consider that its conception, design and development didn’t just happen by accident or magic, we shouldn’t take the individuals or groups behind these products for granted, for obvious reasons.

Oh, and fellow members, please don’t try to ruin this thread by adding meaningless derogatory comments, there’s plenty of room for all these threads to run parallel with each other, sorry if the content of this one is not your thing but it is clearly quite important to some of us. Thanks. Reg
 
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Reg,
On a basic level I agree with you that it sucks that innovations are copied without benefit to the original creator... but five years as a commercial photographer dealing constantly with copyright law and trying to prevent infringements makes it clear to me that if you fail to protect yourself legally via patent or copyright, you're wide open.

Business is just like that and it's better to live with it and just keep going than it is to hope and wish it were different. Designs are routinely improved upon when they're copied; sometimes it's improved functionality, sometimes it's a better price.

I'd like to think that personal integrity keeps us all aware of the contributions an innovator makes but like Tobe pointed out... anybody paid a license fee on the Blake's hitch? I haven't and I use one everyday to protect my life. If I met the guy I would certainly offer to buy him dinner and drinks of his choice... and I bet I'd be standing in a line to do it.

But on a survival level, business integrity is different than personal integrity; companies aren't individual people and decisions are made based on the good of the many, not the good of the one. If copying a product means insuring a healthy payroll account, then copy it is... unless the law says otherwise. That's good business, period. Capitalism has it's less than lovable aspects to go with all the good ones.

It would've been better had the Harrison's negotiated a good deal with Sherrill's, but they opted out while leaving themselves exposed... somebody was gonna copy that bag sooner or later because the rubber coated ones needed improvement.

Take care.
 
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I also use and love Andy's rockets. They work great and last a long time. I've only had one ring tear off when a bag was stuck.

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Sherrill "neo-knockoffs."

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I disagree with this association. Sherrill sells the bags they don't do the "knock off" or make them. Maybe we should refer to them as "Weaver neo-knock-offs"? Just thinking.
 
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Sherrill "neo-knockoffs."

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I disagree with this association. Sherrill sells the bags they don't do the "knock off" or make them. Maybe we should refer to them as "Weaver neo-knock-offs"? Just thinking.

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They've got Sherrill's name printed right there on the bag.
 
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Kentuck-But Sherrill is a significant enough marketer that other companies routinely produce their products in "Sherrill colors" or with Sherrill badging-Weaver and CMI have been doing so for years. Sherrill doesn't claim to have invented their products and Weaver and CMI haven't ceded over control of production to Sherrill.-Rebadgeing of products for marketing purposes has been common in the USA for at least 100 years.

And BTW-with no disrespect whatever to Jason Blake...his hitch had already been published in climbing journals by others well before he popularized that excellent friction knot.
 
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Stumper wrote:

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And BTW-with no disrespect whatever to Jason Blake...his hitch had already been published in climbing journals by others well before he popularized that excellent friction knot.

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from: Son of a Hitch: A Genealogy of Climbing Hitches :


http://www.treebuzz.com/pdf/0505_geneology.pdf


in the 'Articles' section of TreeBuzz:



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In 1994, in a letter to the editor of Arbor Age magazine, Jason Blake
described what he called “the slip—or knot.” Although Blake certainly
is to be credited for introducing and popularizing this knot for tree
climbing, he was not the first to publish it. Ashley shows a two-coil
version of this knot (1944, p. 266, #1470) but does not name it. The
exact knot was shown in Nylon Highway by Heinz Prohaska (1990)
and was published by Prohaska for the first time in 1981. Prohaska
has referred to it as Gesteckter Wickelknoten, or simply Wickelknoten,
in German and as tucked coil hitch in English.

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You did your research well Mark. Knot history and use is fascinating and devilish to define...it always seems that there was some earlier use of a good cordage twist somewhere earlier than whatever one is reading.
 
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No $hit!

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Kentuck-But Sherrill is a significant enough marketer that other companies routinely produce their products in "Sherrill colors" or with Sherrill badging-Weaver and CMI have been doing so for years. Sherrill doesn't claim to have invented their products and Weaver and CMI haven't ceded over control of production to Sherrill.-Rebadgeing of products for marketing purposes has been common in the USA for at least 100 years.

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My point is that if Sherrill is going to take the "atta boys" for their product line, they should also take the responsibility when those products fall short of the quality needed by professional users. How am I, the lowly climber, supposed to know that its a Weaver product repackaged for Sherrill? It says Sherrill right there on the bag. Same with the Sherrill "Deluxe" Fold and Hold.
 
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