"New" throwbags

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Well that’s me told!

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It is business, not a group hug or tickle fight.

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Was that line really necessary?

Clearly we couldn't be further apart on this issue.

Do you have a product on the market Nathan?

You say you are not sure about them being made in China.

What are you not sure about?

You don't care that they are made in China either?

Do you realize how many of our Western manufacturing companies have gone into liquidation because the big corporations are having there work done on the cheap in China? and why do you think that is, so that they can give the end user the best price?
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Meanwhile, a huge proportion Chinese factory workers are subjected to almost slave-like conditions. Sounds like both sets workers are getting the raw deal regardless. Is that cool Nathan? Maybe you think so because after all, it’s not a hug and tickle fight, right!

This (throwbag) relatively small example could be compared to a much bigger sinister movement that is going on in mass scale at the moment. Dont worry, I'm not going to go de-rail the thread too much.

Hey support who you want Nathan, just make sure you're on the strongest team, right. look after No1.
 
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This (throwbag) relatively small example could be compared to a much bigger sinister movement that is going on in mass scale at the moment. Dont worry, I'm not going to go de-rail the thread too much.

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Oh sh#t, here come the black helicopters. Let me get my tinfoil hat out.

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Hey support who you want Nathan, just make sure you're on the strongest team, right. look after No1.

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Look after No1 but don't step in No2!
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Reg, I get your point and think you are right, but our poor boy Andy isn't really being slighted. I am only suggesting that his "invention" wasn't an invention but rather an improvement on an existing device. Well, that is what weaver is doing, improving an existing device. Nice neon colours (seriously Andy, black and dark navy blue...that'll never get lost..)

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One we should consider here is that Sherrill's is not some huge multinational conglomerate. I've been to the business office/warehouse in Greensboro, NC several times to pickup gear I paid for at the Vermeer store... and it's not really all that big. It's always the same nice, happy people working up front, the atmosphere is relaxed and casual.

It's no cottage industry but I have a hard time viewing Sherrill's as some big heartless corporation.
 
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It may not be such a big company but they sure have something to hide. I wanted to read Tobe's post again but I found out he deleted all his tracks.

Why is that Tobe? Why?

Our argument wasn't 'that cheap' was it. It's just that I have my concerns. I try to be 'loyal' to people that produce better than average products. Being loyal doesn't mean you always have to agree. IMO you even have to be able to express your dislikes when you think there are (the guy's at Treemagineers know by now what I think of their proposed friction hitch setup on the Hitchclimber) but this doesn't mean that you are disloyal. Keeping your mouth shut under those circumstances isn't loyalty, that's being....(can't find the right word for that one, sorry)

I am confused when I see a rip off and Tobe or the Weaver company haven't yet convinced me otherwise.

Sure, it's probably completely legal 'in the real world' (man am I happy I only live in my own fantasy)
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Wolter,

Tobe did not delete his post. Actually, he asked me to try to find out where it went.

First, if anyone deletes a post, it says "deleted by...". Second, he explained to me that this issue was / is very important to him and that he put a lot into his first post. What seems to have happened is the software had a hiccup. The web people were working on updates yesterday and might have saved the site and then reverted. In doing so a post or two made during a 60 second period of time was not saved. I am sorry.
 
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Thanks Sean!

I believe this is what Tobe wrote:

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Hello Guys,

FYI, SherrillTree is not a manufacturer like the chipper companies refered to above, or apparel, or soda makers, or the many manufacturers involved in mimicking proven trends or formulas. We are primarily a reseller of made goods, although we sometimes get involved in branding good ideas or moving an idea into our market first.

Several months ago I found out that Weaver was delivering this throw weight design to a dealer in Germany and that the weight would soon be available in the US (Weaver-reported). As a big fan of the Harrison Rocket (not so much of the price and transportation issues) I elected to switch all future inventory over to the product ASAP, but first I wanted to test it. In doing so I discovered that it needed modification, and for that, Weaver was thankful. Within 6 weeks the product was far more durable than first released (Let's keep this part between Americans).

We didn't contract Weaver or even suggest that they make this product, please feel free to confirm that with them. Would SherrillTree have done this on our own? Eventually i'm sure. Would we have paid Andrew a commission? If he supported the effort, absolutely. About 2 years ago he wasn't keen on the idea even though he had no patent or claim otherwise, and without patent protection such fees are... quite unusual. Name a product where we've done this before? Most recently- the Falteimer Cube, we volunteered a fee even though no patent exists in the US.

Just thought the "truth seekers" would care to know.

Be safe.

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Wow Mark, that's a bit strange. Makes it hard to blame Wolter's reaction. Now I'm wondering if Bush isn't trying to do things right up there and someone's simply deleting his posts!

Let's see if this pic sticks.
 
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You had me there Tobe
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, but since you never went, is there any news from the throwbag front.
There are clouds accumulating over the Sherrilltree office. Private messaging is probably at an all time high.

Is the manufacturer from the model that is most desired by the elite involved, or is it a 'Chinese style' copy.
 
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Hi All

I will say a couple of things.

The Harrison rocket came about because down here in NZ back in the late '90's selection of arborist products was very limited and prices were high. After a visit from Ken Palmer, Tobe S and one or two others I think in 97 we Kiwi's were shown a few new tricks including the fact that a throwbag could be a usful tool (though we did already have them).

To buy an imported throwbag was expensive so I asked my then fiance (Alison) to see if she could wip something up. That is without one to copy, just the concept. I have never owned an imported bag. We have never pulled another apart to see how it was put together.

People have sometimes brought us a product to us to copy. No has always been the answer.

Anyway to cut a long story short the Throwbag developed and evolved with input from many including some big and small names in the climbing world.

We never set out to take on the world. People just wanted the product and the busines grew to something that helped us out with a now growing family.

The price in the northern hemisphere dosn't reflect what we make.

We did have discussions with Tobe about two years ago. He told us he would have them copied after we declined his not so generous offer (I still have the e-mail).

We are dissapointed but not surprised. Seeing the H stitching on the top of the bag is like seeing your own signature on someone elses painting.

It's up to the throwbag consumer to vote. Buy what you like, from whom you like. Nothing I can do but say I am glad to make a living with a clear conscience and I hope you can all do the same.

Climb Safe (and where a hard hat when you throw)

Andrew Harrison
 
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I'm going to place an order of four Harrrrrrrrrrrrrison Rockets at my friend Jelte's small reselling company (NOT THAT I NEED ANY MORE THE ROCKETS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WEAR), but I can always give them away
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I thought I knew..... Now I'm sure. Go for it Andy.
 
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Seeing the H stitching on the top of the bag is like seeing your own signature on someone elses painting.


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That was my point Andy,

Seeing the H stitching on these copies just shows a lack of imagination. This blatant copying of the 'rocket' is a sad reflection on the industry.

I will continue to buy the Harrison, thanks for making such a great product.
 
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We've got two of the Sherrill "neo-knockoffs." They suck. Burst wide open after a couple weeks. I'll be sending them back for a refund. Maybe we'll try the real thing next time we order from Rich H.

Had several Sherrill cubes that got sent back too and exchanged for real Faltheimer cubes.
 
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Not much I can say here guys except "guilty as charged." Yes, out to make a living, but beleive it or not, to do so with a clear concience. Is our industry as competative as any other? You bet it is. Do people copy other unprotected ideas WITHOUT compensating inventors? Ask Andrew in New Zealand, Greenwood in Australia or even Strasser in Germany and they can tell you about their countryman's version of the Big Shot or a host of other Sherrill originals. I've learned to live with it. Did anybody buy Jason Blakes knot instructions?

In essence people are going to say what they feel they need to say and we're going to go on doing our best to serve arborists with quality products at affordable prices. I hope those of you who have had issues with faulty products from my company have also experienced people who care, care enough to replace, refund or even repair without a series of hoops.

Finally, and to my knowledge the throw weight is made in Ohio, USA.

Cheers.
 
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I hope those of you who have had issues with faulty products from my company have also experienced people who care, care enough to replace, refund or even repair without a series of hoops.

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Yes. Always excellent, polite customer service.
 
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Tobe, SherrillTree has always treated me well. I also understand that similar nonpatented or non-patentable products are going to arise and compete. I won't slam you for any of that. I will say that I think you made the wrong call on the Sidekick vs Retreever. The Sidekick is a much better product in actual use. ---Which isn't intended to diminish all the good things that you catalog and bring to market.
 
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