TCIA WTF?

Odd, the comment about Mark being active on other forum alternatives. I figured he was just pulling a recluse. I have periodically considered the fact that he was absent. His right/decision to choose.

edit - I gave equal weight to treebuzz and treehouse until treehouse changed up its software, killed my easy browser login and went to that weird post display format. Now I rarely check in as a guest and see the same crew active there.
 
Bart_ said:
Odd, the comment about Mark being active on other forum alternatives. I figured he was just pulling a recluse. I have periodically considered the fact that he was absent. His right/decision to choose.

edit - I gave equal weight to treebuzz and treehouse until treehouse changed up its software, killed my easy browser login and went to that weird post display format. Now I rarely check in as a guest and see the same crew active there.
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Social media is “easier” I think. IIRC his channels have gotten to where they are paid memberships. Gotta stay on top of the content for that.
 
Daniel said:
Don't you think that the you should ask the people on here if they are cool with using their posts in a different medium. Without even considering the legality, wouldn't that just be the decent thing to do?
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That was covered previously in this thread. There is general agreement that checking in with Buzzers before quoting them is a good idea.

On the other hand it can also be argued (and it is true) we already are quoting each other constantly on the Buzz "without consent". TreeBuzz is a public "publishing entity", same as TCIA Magazine. A little more clarity about that is helpful, Mark addressed what the relationship is between TreeBuzz and TCIA.
-AJ
 
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I sure haven't seen any new users here lately, at least not any who seem to be engaged. In fact the opposite seems true to me, many long time, respected users have vanished and don't seem to have been replaced.
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Which is why I referred to TreeBuzz as an anomaly. Social media has killed a lot. The quality of tree work related content and discussion on FB for example is horrendous. Any of the remaining tree work related forums left are all in the same boat, jumping from one to another is like a near extinct penguin going from ice floe to ice floe.

This is a bigger problem than being irritated at the content, style/tone (whatever) of a TCIA article.

To rant on AI for a moment... it is a vastly generalized term for a huge range of functionality and practice. For instance AI tools have turned out to be much better than emergency room medical professionals at diagnosing complex cases. AI is really good at sorting through mountains of patient records and coming up with clarifying summaries and conclusions. The docs can't do that. They can look at AI results and make more informed decisions on behalf of a patient. That's one example.

We know all the terrible examples of AI use. AI can't be considered good or bad, quite a bit of discernment is required to judge what uses of AI are positive/negative and in between. I'm not sniffing anything exploitive in the way TCIA may have used AI in part to build the article. The use of Buzz user quotes is measured and positive, they don't reflect badly on any of the people quoted. If any of you have been written about or quoted in publications pre-AI you know that it can be terrible. Very rare to have a journalist do a great job on this stuff and often they do a terrible job.

And guess what, the people who hang in there running a quality site like the Buzz put way more into it then they get out of it. We pay nothing and enjoy the fruits of their labor. Onward
-AJ
 
moss said:
Which is why I referred to TreeBuzz as an anomaly. Social media has killed a lot. The quality of tree work related content and discussion on FB for example is horrendous. Any of the remaining tree work related forums left are all in the same boat, jumping from one to another is like a near extinct penguin going from ice floe to ice floe.

This is a bigger problem than being irritated at the content, style/tone (whatever) of a TCIA article.

To rant on AI for a moment... it is a vastly generalized term for a huge range of functionality and practice. For instance AI tools have turned out to be much better than emergency room medical professionals at diagnosing complex cases. AI is really good at sorting through mountains of patient records and coming up with clarifying summaries and conclusions. The docs can't do that. They can look at AI results and make more informed decisions on behalf of a patient. That's one example.

We know all the terrible examples of AI use. AI can't be considered good or bad, quite a bit of discernment is required to judge what uses of AI are positive/negative and in between. I'm not sniffing anything exploitive in the way TCIA may have used AI in part to build the article. The use of Buzz user quotes is measured and positive, they don't reflect badly on any of the people quoted. If any of you have been written about or quoted in publications pre-AI you know that it can be terrible. Very rare to have a journalist do a great job on this stuff and often they do a terrible job.

And guess what, the people who hang in there running a quality site like the Buzz put way more into it then they get out of it. We pay nothing and enjoy the fruits of their labor. Onward
-AJ
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Agreed. Bad ai or ai used as an exploitive tool is an issue.

And yes, site hosting is often a thankless job.

It's important that we clarify the potential positive aspects of this partnership as well.

I'd imagine that, since this page is an anomaly, they're hoping to get real industry talk, not bullshit from FB. Mark sees that, Tom sees it. Most of us see that.

What are some clear cut calls to action that we can make?

Prior to utilizing a buzzers content, please reach out to confirm that's okay?

Polls are okay, but please interact with us here. Meet us here, and contribute meaningfully. TCIA has enough industry knowledge as an organization to at least bring chatter to the mix.

One of the biggest ones would be- a formal clarification as to what the goals here are? Are they growing content in exchange for driving traffic to the buzz? Is this genuine industry partnership for the greater good, and a real stewardship model or is this something else? And we'd like to hear it from both parties, TCIA and Buzz ownership. Like, no fluff, what are we doing here? Because we've been in limbo and I don't think that's a big ask to get clarity on.

This is my personal observation. I've spoke my peace on this and want to find solutions. I like treebuzz and the community here. I also like TCIA, and Mark and Tom. Most everyone here is my friend.
 
Brando CalPankian said:
Agreed. Bad ai or ai used as an exploitive tool is an issue.

And yes, site hosting is often a thankless job.

It's important that we clarify the potential positive aspects of this partnership as well.

I'd imagine that, since this page is an anomaly, they're hoping to get real industry talk, not bullshit from FB. Mark sees that, Tom sees it. Most of us see that.

What are some clear cut calls to action that we can make?

Prior to utilizing a buzzers content, please reach out to confirm that's okay?

Polls are okay, but please interact with us here. Meet us here, and contribute meaningfully. TCIA has enough industry knowledge as an organization to at least bring chatter to the mix.

One of the biggest ones would be- a formal clarification as to what the goals here are? Are they growing content in exchange for driving traffic to the buzz? Is this genuine industry partnership for the greater good, and a real stewardship model or is this something else? And we'd like to hear it from both parties, TCIA and Buzz ownership. Like, no fluff, what are we doing here? Because we've been in limbo and I don't think that's a big ask to get clarity on.

This is my personal observation. I've spoke my peace on this and want to find solutions. I like treebuzz and the community here. I also like TCIA, and Mark and Tom. Most everyone here is my friend.
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Good words, and good path forward. I hope TCIA, Mark and Tom can spend some time digesting this and make meaningful adjustments accordingly.
Technically I shun the ‘expert’ label and I was called exactly that, sure I have an above average POV, and if my name were attached I’d now have that label published to it. That is uncomfortable, more over without consent or compensation.
 
moss said:
That was covered previously in this thread. There is general agreement that checking in with Buzzers before quoting them is a good idea.

On the other hand it can also be argued (and it is true) we already are quoting each other constantly on the Buzz "without consent". TreeBuzz is a public "publishing entity", same as TCIA Magazine. A little more clarity about that is helpful, Mark addressed what the relationship is between TreeBuzz and TCIA.
-AJ
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What about misquoting??? Thats hard to do here... pretty sure that article on deadwood did that to me... I would likevtonreread the article andvthen check the thread.. can anyone save me the trouble of finding both? No big deal really though...thanks
 
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