- Location
- NJ
well you take your future children sack and gently feel his rope for any burrs or nicks. Its always good to double check the biners to be used also.
Myth
- Thread starter hernv031
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- Location
- mon co, nj
It was my impression here that the minor incident of stepping on a rope could translate into bigger problems. Perhaps the total team effort of working together is the real issue. If we train the ground workers to keep the rope clear at all times then greater problems of cutting and chipping lines would hopefully be minimized. Lets face it at one time or another all of us were ground workers. Proper rope care was part of the job. Pay attention to the rope. It was part of the responsibility of the ground worker.
- Location
- under grace
NICE!! ha ha ha I like it!! well put!
- Location
- under grace
You are right!! definitely pay attention to the rope!!!!
- Location
- Longmont, CO
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To quote another person on this site he would be a poop orifice!!!!!
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Nice side step with creative language :
To quote another person on this site he would be a poop orifice!!!!!
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Nice side step with creative language :
treehumper
Carpal tunnel level member
- Location
- Ridgefield, NJ
Yes, exactly Cuttenwolf.
- Location
- balancing on the edge . . . .
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well you take ..and .. feel rope for any burrs or nicks.
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i told you it would be interesting.
well you take ..and .. feel rope for any burrs or nicks.
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i told you it would be interesting.
- Location
- Retired in Minneapolis
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Anyone ever lit a climbers line on fire?
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No but I once watched a climber set himself on fire. Just like my avatar. Well almost.
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Would that be ES?
After hiring a climber and going through most of the orientation issues we started on a job. We were in twin silver maples doing roof clearance. As I was moving around I sensed that he wasn't and looked over to see him taking a smoke break in the tree. I told with a snarl to put it out and get back to work. His standard reply, which I learned quickly was, 'Why"!?"
When we got to the ground I went down the list of smoking rules. We were walking to the truck to service our saws so I added, in a sort of joking manner, 'Oh...and no smoking when you're servicing saws."
Within five minutes we were taking care of the saws. I was in the van doing something when I turned around and he was holding the saw up at chest level with one hand and pouring gas in with the other. He had a heater hanging from his lip!!! I screamed, no Mr. Nice Guy, at him to put out the cigarette. His reply, "Why!?" All he did was lower the saw and gas jug to his waist and stand there. I was ready to put him on the ground! After two more rounds he finally put out the butt.
This guy couldn't understand any basic safety issues. Not taking reasonable care of ropes was one issue. He would rarely clear ropes out of brush until the branch had been dragged half way to the chipper or the climber yelled from being tugged.
On and on...the little insignificant things lead to big deadly things. I look at rope/tool abuse as a low level near miss accident.
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Anyone ever lit a climbers line on fire?
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No but I once watched a climber set himself on fire. Just like my avatar. Well almost.
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Would that be ES?
After hiring a climber and going through most of the orientation issues we started on a job. We were in twin silver maples doing roof clearance. As I was moving around I sensed that he wasn't and looked over to see him taking a smoke break in the tree. I told with a snarl to put it out and get back to work. His standard reply, which I learned quickly was, 'Why"!?"
When we got to the ground I went down the list of smoking rules. We were walking to the truck to service our saws so I added, in a sort of joking manner, 'Oh...and no smoking when you're servicing saws."
Within five minutes we were taking care of the saws. I was in the van doing something when I turned around and he was holding the saw up at chest level with one hand and pouring gas in with the other. He had a heater hanging from his lip!!! I screamed, no Mr. Nice Guy, at him to put out the cigarette. His reply, "Why!?" All he did was lower the saw and gas jug to his waist and stand there. I was ready to put him on the ground! After two more rounds he finally put out the butt.
This guy couldn't understand any basic safety issues. Not taking reasonable care of ropes was one issue. He would rarely clear ropes out of brush until the branch had been dragged half way to the chipper or the climber yelled from being tugged.
On and on...the little insignificant things lead to big deadly things. I look at rope/tool abuse as a low level near miss accident.
- Location
- NJ
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As I was moving around I sensed that he wasn't and looked over to see him taking a smoke break in the tree. I told with a snarl to put it out and get back to work. His standard reply, which I learned quickly was, 'Why"!?"
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This is yet another joke right? Now I know your kidding around! Whats the big deal about a smoke in the tree? Cuase if I can't smoke than you'd better keep an eye out, or you might get a glob'o chew.
As I was moving around I sensed that he wasn't and looked over to see him taking a smoke break in the tree. I told with a snarl to put it out and get back to work. His standard reply, which I learned quickly was, 'Why"!?"
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This is yet another joke right? Now I know your kidding around! Whats the big deal about a smoke in the tree? Cuase if I can't smoke than you'd better keep an eye out, or you might get a glob'o chew.
- Location
- Springfield, MO USA
get ready for this thread to take a whole new turn now!
Norm_Hall
New member
- Location
- Wauconda, (Chicago),IL,USA
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Not stepping on someone else's rope has always been a sign of respect. There will be times when it can't be avoided but they're pretty rare I've found.
In my experience when I'm around people who walk on ropes they're sloppy and irresponsible with other things too. At least making an attempt to not walk on ropes is endearing.
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Amen! Please don't step on any of my ropes.
Rock climbing ropes have a much tighter woven jacket.
Climbing lines are not constructed like rock lines. Much easier for soil particles to get inside the rope fibers.
Not stepping on someone else's rope has always been a sign of respect. There will be times when it can't be avoided but they're pretty rare I've found.
In my experience when I'm around people who walk on ropes they're sloppy and irresponsible with other things too. At least making an attempt to not walk on ropes is endearing.
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Amen! Please don't step on any of my ropes.
Rock climbing ropes have a much tighter woven jacket.
Climbing lines are not constructed like rock lines. Much easier for soil particles to get inside the rope fibers.
I used to run a rope course and I away said to anyone who stepped on a rope that they had to
Pick it up, Brush it off and say out loud "I Love my lifeline".
It was a safety and respect thing for me. Why risk it.
Pick it up, Brush it off and say out loud "I Love my lifeline".
It was a safety and respect thing for me. Why risk it.
- Location
- St. Paul, MN
Sometimes we step on ropes. That's a fact of life. We footlock'em, we ascender'em, people on the ground step on'em from time to time. Would anyone here mind if someone accidentally stepped on their harness? I mean, we sit on'em, we lean on'em an pinch'em between us and branches. Heck, some of us even fart in'em! I most certainly don't want feet on my harness.
Crazy_Jimmy
Participating member
- Location
- Texas
Hey dont step on my rope,Im gonna footlock that later.When Im climbing sometimes I step on my own rope,I wonder if it angers other when they see it and say look at that hypocrite.OH well accidents happen.
- Location
- NJ
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Pick it up, Brush it off and say out loud "I Love my lifeline".
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Did your dad often beat you for not putting stuff back on the shelf with the lable out.
Pick it up, Brush it off and say out loud "I Love my lifeline".
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Did your dad often beat you for not putting stuff back on the shelf with the lable out.
- Location
- NJ
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I wonder if it angers other when they see it and say look at that hypocrite.OH well accidents happen.
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It only angers the Safty training *super stars*, cause you know there is no such thing as an accident.
"look at that guy up there stepping all over his rope. He's just lazy and has no respect for the company. I'm going to go home and write a 2 page meeting on how not to step on your rope in the tree. darn disrespectful climber"
I wonder if it angers other when they see it and say look at that hypocrite.OH well accidents happen.
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It only angers the Safty training *super stars*, cause you know there is no such thing as an accident.
"look at that guy up there stepping all over his rope. He's just lazy and has no respect for the company. I'm going to go home and write a 2 page meeting on how not to step on your rope in the tree. darn disrespectful climber"
Crazy_Jimmy
Participating member
- Location
- Texas
One time I wanted to show off in front of a bunch of friends on a camping trip.So I set a line in a tree and show them how to footlock.Well I took acouple of locks and kept slipping like never before.I then realized I had huge piles of doggy doo on my boots.I learned some valuable lessons that day.
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I collect and remember odd factoids, also known as "Did you knows?" Did you know you can flick a lighted cigarette into a open pan of gasoline and nothing will happen?
Just a cool fact, not at all a comment on your intransigent groundie.
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No, actually something does happen. the cig goes out with a sizzle, just like it had gone into water.
Cig coals aren't hot enough to ignite gas fumes. Only open flame or sparks.
So, they don't want you to smoke around gas stations because if you light up, then you might cause a problem.
you beat me to it Moray.
But it goes well with the thread.
Stepping on the rope doesn't hurt it just like cigarettes won't ignite gas.
Nothing wrong with vol firemen, I'd do it myself if I had time, I have a few freinds that are, but the majority of the people that are, are way over the top in things in general. Kinda weird.
I collect and remember odd factoids, also known as "Did you knows?" Did you know you can flick a lighted cigarette into a open pan of gasoline and nothing will happen?
Just a cool fact, not at all a comment on your intransigent groundie.
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No, actually something does happen. the cig goes out with a sizzle, just like it had gone into water.
Cig coals aren't hot enough to ignite gas fumes. Only open flame or sparks.
So, they don't want you to smoke around gas stations because if you light up, then you might cause a problem.
you beat me to it Moray.
But it goes well with the thread.
Stepping on the rope doesn't hurt it just like cigarettes won't ignite gas.
Nothing wrong with vol firemen, I'd do it myself if I had time, I have a few freinds that are, but the majority of the people that are, are way over the top in things in general. Kinda weird.
knudeNoggin
New member
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www.onrope1.com/Myth9.htm
Not sure how scientific this was, but its on the Internet so it has to be true..... right?
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Which reads:
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Jim Kovach, in an exhaustive 8 month study in Ohio, and reported to/by ITRS (International Technical Rescue Symposium) including using rope as a doormat for months, and then driving over the same rope while it lay on beds of broken chards of bricks and a glazer’s pile of broken glass. Then the rope was pull tested! Although the kernmantle showed minor signs of wear, in testing no loss of strength was seen. There is no evidence that stepping on a rope will grind dirt past the kernmantle into the core.
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So, it's hardly very scientific. The argument against walking
on rope was that it got grit into it, and the grit would
weaken the rope in use. The test above goes to extremes
on the first part--the grinding in grit--, but omits the
"in use" part, where action on the rope, say, through a
rappel device or being bent over a 'biner on a fall or
lowering, might see the grit have effect. YMMV.
Ropes in many application areas see some abuse, and they
sometimes pay the price. As others have remarked, stepping
upon rope seems a reasonable thing to avoid, at least for
smaller ropes & climbing lines (which, as was remarked
above, don't have the tight mantle of most kernmantle
ropes for protection). If the rush of the job sees the
odd footprint on the rope, a shrug might be the right
response--no biggie--; but if needless, just careless,
"Why?" parades over the rope occur, maybe it's time to
see how well it works qua whip! --it's not like folks
are always checking to SEE what's on their soles, either.
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There are many "myths" that have grown up in the absence
of light from intelligent studies or better educated
speculation. There are SAR groups, allegedly, who can
require retirement of metal gear dropped even from short
heights (and the old microfractures myth from climbing)
--I recall getting into a heated debate on one of the
treeclimbing forums with SRT et al. who worried about
even the impact of a 'biner on the end of a line tossed
over a tree limb (!).
Will gasoline hurt the rope? Well, sadly, this myth
isn't so cleanly answered: no, for the petrol, pure;
but uncertain re whatever additives might be in it
(was a response from one ropemaker I got).
*kN*
www.onrope1.com/Myth9.htm
Not sure how scientific this was, but its on the Internet so it has to be true..... right?
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Which reads:
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Jim Kovach, in an exhaustive 8 month study in Ohio, and reported to/by ITRS (International Technical Rescue Symposium) including using rope as a doormat for months, and then driving over the same rope while it lay on beds of broken chards of bricks and a glazer’s pile of broken glass. Then the rope was pull tested! Although the kernmantle showed minor signs of wear, in testing no loss of strength was seen. There is no evidence that stepping on a rope will grind dirt past the kernmantle into the core.
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So, it's hardly very scientific. The argument against walking
on rope was that it got grit into it, and the grit would
weaken the rope in use. The test above goes to extremes
on the first part--the grinding in grit--, but omits the
"in use" part, where action on the rope, say, through a
rappel device or being bent over a 'biner on a fall or
lowering, might see the grit have effect. YMMV.
Ropes in many application areas see some abuse, and they
sometimes pay the price. As others have remarked, stepping
upon rope seems a reasonable thing to avoid, at least for
smaller ropes & climbing lines (which, as was remarked
above, don't have the tight mantle of most kernmantle
ropes for protection). If the rush of the job sees the
odd footprint on the rope, a shrug might be the right
response--no biggie--; but if needless, just careless,
"Why?" parades over the rope occur, maybe it's time to
see how well it works qua whip! --it's not like folks
are always checking to SEE what's on their soles, either.
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There are many "myths" that have grown up in the absence
of light from intelligent studies or better educated
speculation. There are SAR groups, allegedly, who can
require retirement of metal gear dropped even from short
heights (and the old microfractures myth from climbing)
--I recall getting into a heated debate on one of the
treeclimbing forums with SRT et al. who worried about
even the impact of a 'biner on the end of a line tossed
over a tree limb (!).
Will gasoline hurt the rope? Well, sadly, this myth
isn't so cleanly answered: no, for the petrol, pure;
but uncertain re whatever additives might be in it
(was a response from one ropemaker I got).
*kN*
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