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In other testing done by CMC out of California, rope were immersed in various substances for long periods of time and then tested. Some of these included paint, tar, sap, gasoline, oil and vomit. Most of the test items, including gasoline and oil, did not cause strength problems (although an oily rope is tough to use, it did not weaken the rope). Acidic materials, like vomit and animal urine, can cause a 30 percent or more strength reduction

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I'd say accidently stepping on my rope is okay, but if you vomit on my rope, I might be upset.

Hey Jim, how bout': This is my Ro_e bag. Notice there is no "P" in Rope bag. I'd like to keep it that way.
 
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you people that say this are also probably weekend rock climbers and also volunteer firemen.


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grrr and whats wrong with the vol firemen, well ok the nerds and the fat ones tend to be bung holes. I got free scuba diving training from them.
 
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Not stepping on someone else's rope has always been a sign of respect. There will be times when it can't be avoided but they're pretty rare I've found.

In my experience when I'm around people who walk on ropes they're sloppy and irresponsible with other things too. At least making an attempt to not walk on ropes is endearing.

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I agree with Tom, it is a sign of not paying attention to your surroundings or just being lazy.

Let's take it in a different direction, what if the groundie is forever draggin brush over the rope and pulling it away from the climber, or heaven forbid, keeps dragging it towards the chipper.

Now back to the stepping part, it is all a component to the cycles to failure equation. Anyone who uses a friction saver regularly will notice thier ropes last longer. Why is that? Well, stepping on a rope does the same thing as the line running through a natural crotch or not being cleaned.

Anyhoo...that's my 2 pennies worth.
 
Isn't everyone's rope in a rope bag at the base of a tree?
If not doesn't your ground worker re-coil the rope after it gets un-coiled?
After all it is a bigger pain for the ground worker to have to work around the rope than for a climber to have to constantly focus on where the rope is.
I probably step on my own rope in the tree more than a ground worker does anyway.
I would like to think that the well oiled machine of a tree team would really not have such issues.
This, I would think would be a beginner issue which would really need minimal addressing provided everyone on the crew understood the same language.
Now that could be a side issue all to itself.
 
No, not everyone's rope is in a bag at the base of a tree. Yes, a well-oiled team would not have this issue. That is a bigger problem though, building and retaining that kind of team.
 
If your rope isnt in a bag the I would expect it to be coiled up at the base. Someone stated this already "this is not rocket sceince." For goodness gracious that is form ground worker 101.
 
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This, I would think would be a beginner issue which would really need minimal addressing provided everyone on the crew understood the same language.
Now that could be a side issue all to itself.

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Lo siento que yo no hablo inglés. Usted dice que su ramera de alittle, y no puede tomar el hecho que piso su cuerda. ¿Por qué es esto un trato grande? Usted más daña a su cuerda subiendo justo el árbol entonces mis pies pequeños son.

I don't see an issue.
 
Yes, coiled at the base of the tree or out of the drop zone/traffic area as I mentioned in an earlier post. It's a top down issue where the employees reflect the attitude of the employer. Employer not showing respect for his workers they don't show any for the employer or that which represents the boss, i.e., the gear. Get it done, get it done! Stopping to take care of a rope that's just going to get moved again is a waste of time or so these kind of workers think.

Until the groundie separates your gear from the company's it gets treated the same way.
 
ooo come on hummper I expected better from you. How bout this? If the climber going to climb a 50' tree only brought out the 75' instead of the 150' and so on. This will leave less rope on the ground to be stepped on. So if your rope is getting stepped and dragged maybe it's your fault. And maybe you shouldn't blame the guy on the ground.

heh had to edit I forgot my spanish speaking freinds

Ooo viene en hummper que esperé mejor de usted. ¿Cómo combate esto? Si el trepador que va a subir un 50' árbol sólo sacó el 75' en vez del 150' etcétera. Esto saldrá atará menos en el suelo para ser pisado. Tan si su cuerda es dada un paso y es arrastrada quizá la culpa es suya. Y quizá usted no debe culpar al tipo en el suelo.
 
Standing on another's climber's rope is wrong, its inherently wrong. That is to say as a single act, it was born wrong. The act of standing on another's climber rope should be punishable by death under OSHA and HSE.

If you stand on another climber's rope you are basically saying to that climber, 'I dont value your life'.

Its the thin end of the wedge people, stand on a climbing rope one day, in a few years you'll be responsible for the downfall of civilisation. Mind you, western civilisation is so sh*t anyway it wouldn't really matter, would it.

Western civilisation was responsible for the sickening acts that took place during slavery, it makes me sick, the whole damn thing.

ps, if you stand on my climbing rope, the next thing you'll be standing in is concrete boots at the bottom of the Mississipi.
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Let's see, a 50' tree where my TIP is at about 40'. I think I'd need at least 80'. So, let's put me at 10' from the TIP leaving 30' on the ground. Remember I needed all of that out of the bag when I started since I used a Ddrt. As I climb then the groundie would be having to tend the rope playing it back into a bag or out of the way. Since I'm working on the tree as I go up they're busy moving brush. Same problem in the end.

Whether it's 10', 25' or 50' of rope on the ground the problem can arise. I start with my rope on the backside of the tree. It gets repositioned and I'll move it as best as I can. At some point though my groundies need to be aware of it and moving it out of harm's way. Is it really too much to ask? I'll work with my guys to reduce the amount of tending they have to do. Watching my rope and pulling it up and out of the way when and where I can. Teamwork, respect for each other.

Yeah a short rope is a great idea for smaller trees. Once I get a longer rope for the bigger trees I have to tackle then I'll shorten this one though it still leaves the problem.
 
One of the very first instructions I can remember being given by my husband when I joined him in the field was "watch out for the rope". This instruction was more for taking care that it didn't get snagged in the brush and tangle, cut with a chainsaw while cutting up brush, and needlessly nicked or abraided. It's good work protocol. It establishes a safer work ethic. If you are working with a chipper and snag it up in brush...really, really bad things can happen.

I know you might be thinking, but I just asked about stepping on it, not chipping it. But staying aware of it and using caution around it is all part and parcel.

It's not made of glass, it won't break just because you stepped on it. However, if your attitude is that it is "no big deal", then you are likely to treat it indifferently, causing more wear than necessary. Ropes are a tool of the trade, treat them all well and with care.

Sylvia
 
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One of the very first instructions I can remember being given by my husband when I joined him in the field was "watch out for the rope". This instruction was more for taking care that it didn't get snagged in the brush and tangle, cut with a chainsaw while cutting up brush, and needlessly nicked or abraided. It's good work protocol. It establishes a safer work ethic. If you are working with a chipper and snag it up in brush...really, really bad things can happen.

I know you might be thinking, but I just asked about stepping on it, not chipping it. But staying aware of it and using caution around it is all part and parcel.

It's not made of glass, it won't break just because you stepped on it. However, if your attitude is that it is "no big deal", then you are likely to treat it indifferently, causing more wear than necessary. Ropes are a tool of the trade, treat them all well and with care.

Sylvia

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Very eloquently put Sylvia, I wanted to say something along those lines but it came out all weird and negative. Couldn't help it.

Did you know that Malcolm X put forward a more extremist point of view to make Martin Luther King's ideas more acceptable to the white population? thats what i was trying to do. I think.
 
Here is a quote from "How to become an Excellent Groundman" in the articles section here on treebuzz.

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11) Rope Management
· You should be able to handle all aspects of ground rope operation, from securing
the friction hitch, to setting the speed line.
· If you hank the ropes learn how to do it correctly.
· Do not step on the ropes or allow them to be driven upon by a vehicle.

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