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If EZ doesn't then I will tell a tale.

Truth is there was a fatality here in NJ a few years ago that seemed like the result of a climbing line failure.

After some investigating it ended up being the result of many bad decisions. One of which was about 10' of slack in the climbing system and a rope that had more than one bad "knick" in it. It was a 3 strand and one full strand was cut in more than one spot. The climber was a novice (bu my standards) with 6 mos. exp.

His rope failed after the lead he was roping off pulled him down since he was lanyarded to it as well. He then fell aprox. 70' to a driveway below. It is a very sad story and I can't help feeling that the company owner (with 20+ yrs exp.) is mainly to blame here.
 
The only climbing line that I've had break in over 30 years of climbing was a three strand hemp, which wasn't as strong as manila rope from the beginning. I was about three feet off the ground when it broke somewhere higher in the tree. That was over 25 years ago and a millenium ago in tree climbing history.
 
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But SZ told me that it was cool because the rope was non-conductive and I needed to settle down.

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Basically he is speaking the truth. Rope would of had to be very very dirty or soaking wet to conduct. Can it be conductive? Sure it could carry a current, you'd stand about the same chance as getting zapped by a phone line as that rope would be conductive.

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...so you're saying theres a chance!
 
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so you're saying theres a chance!

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You'll stand a better chance at winning the lottery.
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Now stop talking, Pete. It's obvious that I knew as much about everything back then as I do now, but how on earth are you going to sign up online to sit for the BCMA test without my computer skillz? They're talking about holding the control key and clicking links and all that stuff.


Control key! Links! Data Entry!



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All I need is 76%, and then the world is my oyster. All I need is one of those things where you talk and the computer does what you say. Like Star Trek.

hey didn't we go to some "rigging seminar" where they snapped a climbing line (on purpose) with a heavy piece that they shock-loaded from like 40 feet? i think it was a blue streak line, which some people used to use for climbing. (or at least rappelling down the pole). that was... memorable. and slightly frightening.
 
Yeah, North Jersey along with every other state has contributed to your WC rates, Hollen.

Mark has pointed out why we need to take time to consider all the factors because an accident isn't the result of just one problem. It's a likely outcome of a series of lapses in safety practices.

That is the very reason to be mindful of all the elements of risk.
 
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It's a likely outcome of a series of lapses in safety practices.

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The guy only had 6 months in the feild. Prob a Arbormaster grad who had his 2 weeks crash course. This really don't count toward a safty issue. Just lack of experience. Knid of like that certed treeworker with only 2 years in.
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Big factor was the one thing, climbing line with 3 big nicks. Now this falls into the bosses hands to replace, or was it 1 rope for the year and if he cut it he needed to replace it? I'll even give on the second of being lanyarded to same limb your cutting.
 
Lack of experience, new to job, doesn't feel he could say no, boss doesn't replace rope (yes, big one), etc....

the domino effect....

c'mon easy, we're playing nice now, this is about myths. Any others you can think of?
 
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