marlinspiker
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- Pennsyltucky
yes well said Mr Butler.
ISA and religion
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GlennButler
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- Mid-Atlantic Coastal Plain
I sincerely appreciate your compliments.
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- rhode island
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yes well said Mr Butler.
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I agree, a very fair and intelligent man. The ability to clearly write such thoughts is admirable.
yes well said Mr Butler.
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I agree, a very fair and intelligent man. The ability to clearly write such thoughts is admirable.
TC
Participating member
This guy in the UK got prayers at council meetings banned, sounds a bit like Babberney's dilemma.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/10/prayers-ban-council-meetings-devon
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/10/prayers-ban-council-meetings-devon
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- Retired in Minneapolis
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What would Jesus use? Sthil or Husky?
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Probably both...and he'd be very open to using any others too.
Stihl or Husky??? can cause fights that are just as divisive of course!
What would Jesus use? Sthil or Husky?
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Probably both...and he'd be very open to using any others too.
Stihl or Husky??? can cause fights that are just as divisive of course!
GlennButler
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- Mid-Atlantic Coastal Plain
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What would Jesus use? Sthil or Husky?
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Clearly he would use a Husqvarna. "Thou Shalt Not Stihl"
What would Jesus use? Sthil or Husky?
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Clearly he would use a Husqvarna. "Thou Shalt Not Stihl"
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- under grace
i do not disagree with the original idea. I really have no desire to "force" my beliefs on anyone. I think such behavior is detrimental to the cause. In fact ( not that anyone cares} i depised when people tried to talk to me about God before i believed....there was emnity between God and I ....So i TOTally get it.,,,,It really isnt the purpose of such an organization
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I find it curious that the mere mention of God elicits such vehement hostility in some individuals.
Frax
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What would Jesus use? Sthil or Husky?
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Clearly he would use a Husqvarna. "Thou Shalt Not Stihl"
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What would Jesus use? Sthil or Husky?
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Clearly he would use a Husqvarna. "Thou Shalt Not Stihl"
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tomthetreeman
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- Rhode Island
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What would Jesus use? Sthil or Husky?
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Clearly he would use a Husqvarna. "Thou Shalt Not Stihl"
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We should just end the thread right there. Bam.
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What would Jesus use? Sthil or Husky?
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Clearly he would use a Husqvarna. "Thou Shalt Not Stihl"
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We should just end the thread right there. Bam.
marlinspiker
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- Pennsyltucky
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What would Jesus use? Sthil or Husky?
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Clearly he would use a Husqvarna. "Thou Shalt Not Stihl"
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We should just end the thread right there. Bam.
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and done!
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What would Jesus use? Sthil or Husky?
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Clearly he would use a Husqvarna. "Thou Shalt Not Stihl"
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We should just end the thread right there. Bam.
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and done!
mdvaden
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- Beaverton. Oregon
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Mdvaden,
Your assumption that rules and ethics can only be derived from a christian world view of morality are small minded at best. Our current ethics and moralities are an amalgamation of our complete evolutionary history as a species. The christian moralities/ethics are just a small portion of this that are derived from our mammalian ancestors need to group together for survival.
That being said the ISA is an organization the represents the practice of a science and should exclude religious beliefs. With our ever increasing globalization we should stick to and all agree on this one thing. Science is a universal language. Religion is not.
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Much of science is still a matter of faith. A sort of Ekklesia or church in itself. An it would certainly have a combination of truth and error.
It's not a universal language. Just take for example how whether we have 8 planets or 9 planets in our solar system was put to a vote.
Actually, wasn't it accepted "science" that painting tree wounds was the way to go for tree care several decades ago? So much for accurate common communication - lol
Mdvaden,
Your assumption that rules and ethics can only be derived from a christian world view of morality are small minded at best. Our current ethics and moralities are an amalgamation of our complete evolutionary history as a species. The christian moralities/ethics are just a small portion of this that are derived from our mammalian ancestors need to group together for survival.
That being said the ISA is an organization the represents the practice of a science and should exclude religious beliefs. With our ever increasing globalization we should stick to and all agree on this one thing. Science is a universal language. Religion is not.
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Much of science is still a matter of faith. A sort of Ekklesia or church in itself. An it would certainly have a combination of truth and error.
It's not a universal language. Just take for example how whether we have 8 planets or 9 planets in our solar system was put to a vote.
Actually, wasn't it accepted "science" that painting tree wounds was the way to go for tree care several decades ago? So much for accurate common communication - lol
mdvaden
Participating member
- Location
- Beaverton. Oregon
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Mario, Golly gee, I have not mistaken your use of bold type for a cogent and coherent argument. Since you've offered nothing in the form of a logical thought process to make your case, please continue riding off on that steed named Tangent in an effort to conceal your empty rhetoric.
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There seems to be no myth more widespread than the myth that moral values cannot be divorced from a belief in god (pick your god).
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But you are lying when you assert that the International Society of Arboriculture is a Christian organization, and in this case your lie is immoral.
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and subsequently reject your attempts at religious bullying.
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It remains a fact that a huge part of our country's culture, behaviors and practices are scriptural. The basic nature of the USA is built upon scriptural principles, whether people like it or not. So your reply does nothing to dispel the point written earlier.
The ISA is scriptural at it's roots. How it conducts itself morally that is.
Also, although Socrates is taught sporadically, he is not a dominant component of America's culture, laws and behavior patterns.
It seems that you have not really studied the reason people came to this continent in the first place (not referring to native tribes). Why they came, what they believed, and how that faith system embedded itself into the nation.
See ... I was mainly talking recent history, from the founding of the USA, up to the present.
You are desperately cherry-picking philosophers and scriptural prophets from milleniums ago to try and prop-up some kind of defense. Although I really appreciate Moses, he's a bit far removed from the context I was referring too. He's part of the scriptural narrative, but it's not like there was the Church of Moses or Church of Socrates around in the 1600s and 1700s greatly influencing the next few centuries of families and businesses.
To others at the Buzz, RE the ISA & Christmas
Anyone been on the payroll before, and knows whether December 25th is an ISA workday?
How many tests and events are scheduled during Christmas and Easter?
Mario, Golly gee, I have not mistaken your use of bold type for a cogent and coherent argument. Since you've offered nothing in the form of a logical thought process to make your case, please continue riding off on that steed named Tangent in an effort to conceal your empty rhetoric.
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There seems to be no myth more widespread than the myth that moral values cannot be divorced from a belief in god (pick your god).
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But you are lying when you assert that the International Society of Arboriculture is a Christian organization, and in this case your lie is immoral.
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and subsequently reject your attempts at religious bullying.
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It remains a fact that a huge part of our country's culture, behaviors and practices are scriptural. The basic nature of the USA is built upon scriptural principles, whether people like it or not. So your reply does nothing to dispel the point written earlier.
The ISA is scriptural at it's roots. How it conducts itself morally that is.
Also, although Socrates is taught sporadically, he is not a dominant component of America's culture, laws and behavior patterns.
It seems that you have not really studied the reason people came to this continent in the first place (not referring to native tribes). Why they came, what they believed, and how that faith system embedded itself into the nation.
See ... I was mainly talking recent history, from the founding of the USA, up to the present.
You are desperately cherry-picking philosophers and scriptural prophets from milleniums ago to try and prop-up some kind of defense. Although I really appreciate Moses, he's a bit far removed from the context I was referring too. He's part of the scriptural narrative, but it's not like there was the Church of Moses or Church of Socrates around in the 1600s and 1700s greatly influencing the next few centuries of families and businesses.
To others at the Buzz, RE the ISA & Christmas
Anyone been on the payroll before, and knows whether December 25th is an ISA workday?
How many tests and events are scheduled during Christmas and Easter?
TreeCo
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Which god when mentioned?
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I find it curious that the mere mention of God elicits such vehement hostility in some individuals.
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easyphloem
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- Louisville, KY
Good one.
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Bixler
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- Nevada City, CA
zinger!
mdvaden
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- Beaverton. Oregon
Re: ISA and Christian / Jewish Weekends
As one more example to show how Butler missed my point about the ISA being "christian", consider our weekends. It's not just the ISA that recognizes weekends, but virtually the entire country.
The weekend originated with taking Sundays off for Christians, and Saturdays for Jewish. So the entire country's time table is built on those two religions that overlap along the lines of the Old Testament.
That's not simply granting a moment's pause to utter a few syllables, but granting 48 hours every week to accomodate religion.
As one more example to show how Butler missed my point about the ISA being "christian", consider our weekends. It's not just the ISA that recognizes weekends, but virtually the entire country.
The weekend originated with taking Sundays off for Christians, and Saturdays for Jewish. So the entire country's time table is built on those two religions that overlap along the lines of the Old Testament.
That's not simply granting a moment's pause to utter a few syllables, but granting 48 hours every week to accomodate religion.
