I'm an advocate for child labor!

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Swingdude - I'm completely on your side and agree it's a concern, but continuing to slam my head against the wall debating who should let who do what at this point has become a stalemate.

To each his own - I am only in control of myself, my thoughts, and my actions - Not anyone elses.

Educating someone is noble, but continuing to force one's own belief on any situation to another person after they have objected and dug their heels in is just pointless.
 
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This morning I had a conversation with Levi. I asked him what he thought about the time we used the brush chipper. He smiled and said it was fun. I asked him if he thought the brush chipper was a scary machine. Again he smiled and said yes, REALLY scary.

Fear is a good thing.

I respect your opinion Swingdude.

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I am curious, what is your wives reaction to the article about the boy that was killed?
 
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This morning I had a conversation with Levi. I asked him what he thought about the time we used the brush chipper. He smiled and said it was fun. I asked him if he thought the brush chipper was a scary machine. Again he smiled and said yes, REALLY scary.

Fear is a good thing.

I respect your opinion Swingdude.

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I am curious, what is your wives reaction to the article about the boy that was killed?

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I'll ask her tonight.
 
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Swingdude - I'm completely on your side and agree it's a concern, but continuing to slam my head against the wall debating who should let who do what at this point has become a stalemate.

To each his own - I am only in control of myself, my thoughts, and my actions - Not anyone elses.

Educating someone is noble, but continuing to force one's own belief on any situation to another person after they have objected and dug their heels in is just pointless.

[/ QUOTE ]. You are perfectly correct. Thanks.
 
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This morning I had a conversation with Levi. I asked him what he thought about the time we used the brush chipper. He smiled and said it was fun. I asked him if he thought the brush chipper was a scary machine. Again he smiled and said yes, REALLY scary.

Fear is a good thing.

I respect your opinion Swingdude.

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I am curious, what is your wives reaction to the article about the boy that was killed?

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I'll ask her tonight.

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I am curious as well.
What would you expect of her reaction?
 
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I don't really expect it to be one way or another, I am just curious of a mothers response. For the record, I don't really have any issue with the way you let your kids help (not that my opinion really matters). The difference here is you teach your kids to stand to the side and you physically have your hands on the controls and your eyes on the kids. The father that lost his son left the machine running while his kids were around it alone.

Things happened one of two ways.

1. The father was being honest and only turned for a second. This means that the kid was already WAY to close for the father to not be on him like a hawk.

2. The kid was a safe distance away when the father turned his back but he left the kid unattended WAY to long.
 
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Jim I also respect your opinion and I hope you are not offended by anything I have said as it was not intended. Please keep those kids safe.
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Fellas I would not knowingly put my kids in a dangerous situation if the odds were one in a million. They have time to learn it all. No reason to rush them. My best climber had never touched a chainsaw before the age of 23. To the fella that wanted to hear of an instance where a young child was injured using a chainsaw with their dad standing next to them giving instruction, I could not find one. Maybe this one will work. About three years ago we were working in a neighborhood when we heard the sound of ambulances. They stopped in an area where only minutes earlier we heard a saw running. This is what we found. A father was teaching his teenage son to use a chainsaw when the unthinkable happened. The teenager was cutting a limb at about chest height when it kicked back and struck him in the neck. He was taken to the hospital where he died three days later. My neighbors wife was one of his ICU nurses. She said that his father knelt beside his bed and apologized over and over. His son never responded. But your right I couldn't find one with a nine year old. But hey they're your kids right?
 
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this has gotten stupid

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You got that right, X

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Time to stupify this thing further.....


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this has gotten stupid

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You got that right, X

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Time to stupify this thing further.....


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Just in case you all didn't know what BIXLER stood for.

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Hahahaha, I rarely actually laugh out loud but this one got me.
 
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Excellent pic Tarzan.

I had Levi stop for a pic from his daily firewood duty.

I know, I know, the chaps need washing but I can't tell the kid anything. It was hard enough just to get him to smile.
 

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Re: I\'m an advocate for child labor!

Some one pointed out a good observation to me the other day:

He said, "When we were growing up, our parents had to yell at us to get back in the home. Now days, parents are yelling at the kids to get out of the home."

His point was in the context of recreation; video games vs. real games and activity.

But, his observation has a point with work too. For the most part, we parents (especially fathers) set an example of work ethic. If we parents are dead beats, who would rather be entertained on a (T.V. screen or CPU screen) our kids are going to do the same.

The Amish see work as a blessing. And the family participates in work as a form of recreation (to some degree). If we see work as a character building activity, recreation, and a rewarding effort to provide for ourselves, then we'll be happy to, well... work.

Not to get too far off the topic, but the mantra of pushing college to kids is this... "You need to go to college to work at a easy desk job. Why work harder than necessary?"

Well, as logical as that may seem, it has been a problem for our society in many many ways.
 
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Excellent pic Tarzan.

I had Levi stop for a pic from his daily firewood duty.

I know, I know, the chaps need washing but I can't tell the kid anything. It was hard enough just to get him to smile.

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You crack me up Jim. Nice pic. I embeded it for you.

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"When we were growing up, our parents had to yell at us to get back in the home. Now days, parents are yelling at the kids to get out of the home."

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I disagree with this a little bit. I have a tree guy friend who is turning 46 this year, and I remember him quoting his Dad... "Get outside and blow the stink off ya!" was the exact quote. That was from the late 70's. His oldest daughter is in her mid 20's and he is a grandfather, so to say that the TV thing is just a problem for the most recent generation is not really accurate.


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the mantra of pushing college to kids is this... "You need to go to college to work at a easy desk job. Why work harder than necessary?"

Well, as logical as that may seem, it has been a problem for our society in many many ways.

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I could not agree with this statement more.

-Tom
 
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Your job as a parent - make sure they make it to adulthood with the skills necessary to be a contributing member of society. That can mean all sorts of things. Safe behaviour that doesn't injure themselves or others is one of the parental responsibilities. I encourage my children to get hurt - how are you going to know the stove is hot until you touch it??? But... You need to be there to make sure they don't discover the stove is hot with a third degree burn. It is the most difficult job you will EVER do!

There are a lot of (insert explicative here) parents that are NOT doing their job.

This particular line of work is hazardous. The toys are crazy and NOT forgiving at all. Gravity is a biatch. The chain saw will cut anything, the chipper is no less discerning. They are YOUR kids, make your calls. IF you take them on a paying job - YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW - period. Teach them sure, but don't hang them out there.
 
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The law you are breaking is
29 CFR 570.54 and .55

BUT OSHA will only show up to bust you after the death.
 
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