Bixler
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Re: I\'m an advocate for child labor!
I'm an advocate for child labor!
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Re: I\'m an advocate for child labor!
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allowing a 9 year old child to get anywhere near any type of chipper or real chainsaw is all I need or want to know about you or your friends to determine that I want nothing more to do with you, other than strongly suggest you get professional help asap.
jomoco
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I totally agree. That is messed up!
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allowing a 9 year old child to get anywhere near any type of chipper or real chainsaw is all I need or want to know about you or your friends to determine that I want nothing more to do with you, other than strongly suggest you get professional help asap.
jomoco
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I totally agree. That is messed up!
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- Lansing, NY
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I just don't want to hear anyone try to explain a chainsaw accident to a doctor on a 9 yr old, or worse telling the wife he went through the chipper. Put on some gloves and try and save your hands holding a chainsaw bar and just think if that was a kids hand no gloves because the saw fell off the bench or something trying to save it.Sorry call me a wuss my boy had to wait till he was 14-15 to start running a saw and that was after he knew how to clean and care for it first.
I just don't want to hear anyone try to explain a chainsaw accident to a doctor on a 9 yr old, or worse telling the wife he went through the chipper. Put on some gloves and try and save your hands holding a chainsaw bar and just think if that was a kids hand no gloves because the saw fell off the bench or something trying to save it.Sorry call me a wuss my boy had to wait till he was 14-15 to start running a saw and that was after he knew how to clean and care for it first.
Re: I\'m an advocate for child labor!
I don't let my new groundsman touch a saw when they start. After dragging brush, cleaning and one on one training then they use one under supervision. A 200T is a nasty saw with a ton of power. All our equipment is unforgiving and built to rip everything it hits.
I would never share my opinion on parenting, but this is not a good thing.
Toparboring is dead on with how would you explain that? Never mind live with yourself.
I don't let my new groundsman touch a saw when they start. After dragging brush, cleaning and one on one training then they use one under supervision. A 200T is a nasty saw with a ton of power. All our equipment is unforgiving and built to rip everything it hits.
I would never share my opinion on parenting, but this is not a good thing.
Toparboring is dead on with how would you explain that? Never mind live with yourself.
Re: I\'m an advocate for child labor!
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A friend of mine has a 9 year old son. He has been doing tree work with us since he was 5. Roping and chipping for years now and he just asked to use the 200t so I started training him with the saw. He started getting paid $1/day now he is up to $2/hr.
Intelligence is over rated... and work ethic is under rated. Start them young and retire early!!!
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Lets see, you have a underage worker on your jobsite (legal age 18 years) and you pay him below minimum wage. If that CHILD hurts himself, your a##s is done.
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A friend of mine has a 9 year old son. He has been doing tree work with us since he was 5. Roping and chipping for years now and he just asked to use the 200t so I started training him with the saw. He started getting paid $1/day now he is up to $2/hr.
Intelligence is over rated... and work ethic is under rated. Start them young and retire early!!!
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Lets see, you have a underage worker on your jobsite (legal age 18 years) and you pay him below minimum wage. If that CHILD hurts himself, your a##s is done.
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I have kids and my wife teaches 8/9 year olds. There is no way that any child under 18 should be using saws or chippers ( I am sure there exists a MINOR few that could but is it necessary ). How would one live with yourself if something went horribly wrong. That said, it's again personal choice. I am far from a wuss, however I draw the line when it comes to dangerous machinery. Under proper supervision I am sure a mature teenager could operate them, but they still need to be supervised CONSTANTLY. I also am not saying how someone should parent, but I felt like adding that I am against this practice it is just irresponsible. Is it really necessary to have a 9 year old using these pieces of equipment, when most adults are scared to even go near them, or really should not. Raking leaves and dragging brush etc is quite different, however a tree work zone is a dangerous place for a minor.
I have kids and my wife teaches 8/9 year olds. There is no way that any child under 18 should be using saws or chippers ( I am sure there exists a MINOR few that could but is it necessary ). How would one live with yourself if something went horribly wrong. That said, it's again personal choice. I am far from a wuss, however I draw the line when it comes to dangerous machinery. Under proper supervision I am sure a mature teenager could operate them, but they still need to be supervised CONSTANTLY. I also am not saying how someone should parent, but I felt like adding that I am against this practice it is just irresponsible. Is it really necessary to have a 9 year old using these pieces of equipment, when most adults are scared to even go near them, or really should not. Raking leaves and dragging brush etc is quite different, however a tree work zone is a dangerous place for a minor.
treehumper
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Re: I\'m an advocate for child labor!
Once again we see someone's actions in the workplace that compromise all of us. While I agree with instilling a good work ethic in our children we can do it without placing them in a risky situation that if it goes wrong will only lead to a world of woe for everyone immediately involved and then lead to further negative impact on the arboriculture community as a whole.
Our insurance rates are determined by the performance of the whole industry not us individually.
Once again we see someone's actions in the workplace that compromise all of us. While I agree with instilling a good work ethic in our children we can do it without placing them in a risky situation that if it goes wrong will only lead to a world of woe for everyone immediately involved and then lead to further negative impact on the arboriculture community as a whole.
Our insurance rates are determined by the performance of the whole industry not us individually.
macswan
Been here a while
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- Champlain Valley, VT
Re: I\'m an advocate for child labor!
When I did ehap a couple years ago I saw the tree work death stats and at the top was a 12(larger than 9 probably) year old working with his dad. Kid got pulled into the chipper. I don't imagine you come back from seeing your childs life end that way. His parents should think a bit harder about the possible consequences.
When I did ehap a couple years ago I saw the tree work death stats and at the top was a 12(larger than 9 probably) year old working with his dad. Kid got pulled into the chipper. I don't imagine you come back from seeing your childs life end that way. His parents should think a bit harder about the possible consequences.
Bixler
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- Nevada City, CA
Re: I\'m an advocate for child labor!
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my 11 year old (in the pic) worked circles around a 50 year old that just got out of jail. the 50 year old is in great condition. It was a mullberry removal a few days ago and there was a 10ft log 10inches in diameter (pretty heavy) I told Jonathan (my son) "get the other end" to my suprise he picked it up easy. The 50 year old took it from him only because it made him look bad. Every time he pulled something he had to stop and rest. One of my sons favorite shows is This Old House, Sponge Bob Square Pants is his favorite.
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You must be one proud father. Thanks for sharing. Nice photo of the Turkey!!!
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my 11 year old (in the pic) worked circles around a 50 year old that just got out of jail. the 50 year old is in great condition. It was a mullberry removal a few days ago and there was a 10ft log 10inches in diameter (pretty heavy) I told Jonathan (my son) "get the other end" to my suprise he picked it up easy. The 50 year old took it from him only because it made him look bad. Every time he pulled something he had to stop and rest. One of my sons favorite shows is This Old House, Sponge Bob Square Pants is his favorite.
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You must be one proud father. Thanks for sharing. Nice photo of the Turkey!!!
Bixler
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- Nevada City, CA
Re: I\'m an advocate for child labor!
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A friend of mine has a 9 year old son. He has been doing tree work with us since he was 5. Roping and chipping for years now and he just asked to use the 200t so I started training him with the saw. He started getting paid $1/day now he is up to $2/hr.
Intelligence is over rated... and work ethic is under rated. Start them young and retire early!!!
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Lets see, you have a underage worker on your jobsite (legal age 18 years) and you pay him below minimum wage. If that CHILD hurts himself, your a##s is done.
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Sorry to be misleading Zale, you must have misunderstood, but this child has never been on one of my job sites. Just so you know. Thanks!
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A friend of mine has a 9 year old son. He has been doing tree work with us since he was 5. Roping and chipping for years now and he just asked to use the 200t so I started training him with the saw. He started getting paid $1/day now he is up to $2/hr.
Intelligence is over rated... and work ethic is under rated. Start them young and retire early!!!
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Lets see, you have a underage worker on your jobsite (legal age 18 years) and you pay him below minimum wage. If that CHILD hurts himself, your a##s is done.
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Sorry to be misleading Zale, you must have misunderstood, but this child has never been on one of my job sites. Just so you know. Thanks!
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- Sevierville, TN
Re: I\'m an advocate for child labor!
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We started trying to teach them the value of a dollar. I gave him a dollar and when we go to the store tomorrow he gets to pick some candy..probly gummie bears and he gets to pay . He works, earns and then spends his dollar. He just figured out what pockets are for so only logical to start teaching life lessons early. He looked so proud afterwards. Had a look of accomplishment on his face sitting next to me on the porch swing. Wish I knew what was going through his mind.
Its so awesome to watch them learn and discover. Even better to be the one teaching and watching them learn under your guidance. As he's two though I'm tired of saying "quit climbing." Turn your head and he's at the top of a bookshelf. I'm ready to say "Come on get up that tree boy!"
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I told you it just does not seem fair to tell him not to climb when he see's daddy do it. He loves to do things you do. I am can't wait to see the man he becomes with you as his role model.
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We started trying to teach them the value of a dollar. I gave him a dollar and when we go to the store tomorrow he gets to pick some candy..probly gummie bears and he gets to pay . He works, earns and then spends his dollar. He just figured out what pockets are for so only logical to start teaching life lessons early. He looked so proud afterwards. Had a look of accomplishment on his face sitting next to me on the porch swing. Wish I knew what was going through his mind.
Its so awesome to watch them learn and discover. Even better to be the one teaching and watching them learn under your guidance. As he's two though I'm tired of saying "quit climbing." Turn your head and he's at the top of a bookshelf. I'm ready to say "Come on get up that tree boy!"
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I told you it just does not seem fair to tell him not to climb when he see's daddy do it. He loves to do things you do. I am can't wait to see the man he becomes with you as his role model.
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- Sevierville, TN
Re: I\'m an advocate for child labor!
I don't know all safety measures or rules on them, but my bf makes me where a helment, chaps, and glasses just to cut small pieces of log and then stack them. I couldn't imagine letting any child near a chipper or use a saw.
I don't know all safety measures or rules on them, but my bf makes me where a helment, chaps, and glasses just to cut small pieces of log and then stack them. I couldn't imagine letting any child near a chipper or use a saw.
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- Rhode Island
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In a few years I would definitely get him started with rec climbing. Climbing can be a safe and fun family activity and give him a HUGE jump start if he decides to become an arborist when he is older.
In a few years I would definitely get him started with rec climbing. Climbing can be a safe and fun family activity and give him a HUGE jump start if he decides to become an arborist when he is older.
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- Lansing, NY
Re: I\'m an advocate for child labor!
I am into doing anything with my kids within reason(mostly money, and insurance). To many are finding it to easy to sit and play games than go forth and learn something. The other day I cut down some really over grown Lillac , Talked to the daughter and we are going to make some small shelves and other things for her room. If we can teach them something now they are that further ahead in life with a skill they can do the rest of their life.
I am into doing anything with my kids within reason(mostly money, and insurance). To many are finding it to easy to sit and play games than go forth and learn something. The other day I cut down some really over grown Lillac , Talked to the daughter and we are going to make some small shelves and other things for her room. If we can teach them something now they are that further ahead in life with a skill they can do the rest of their life.
Bixler
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- Nevada City, CA
Re: I\'m an advocate for child labor!
Could you guys imagine a child shooting a rifle, handgun, crossbow safely? I guess I'm just comparing chainsaws and chippers with weapons but they definitely are all potentially very harmful. Just wondering. thanks!
Could you guys imagine a child shooting a rifle, handgun, crossbow safely? I guess I'm just comparing chainsaws and chippers with weapons but they definitely are all potentially very harmful. Just wondering. thanks!
allmark
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Re: I\'m an advocate for child labor!
A fire arm is a lot different than a chainsaw. I havent seen any chaps that would fit a small child. Neither should be done without supervision.
A fire arm is a lot different than a chainsaw. I havent seen any chaps that would fit a small child. Neither should be done without supervision.
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- Retired in Minneapolis
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Chainsaws and chippers combined with pre-teens ain't right. Shoot...they aren't good to have in some adults hands@!
Chainsaws and chippers combined with pre-teens ain't right. Shoot...they aren't good to have in some adults hands@!
Re: I\'m an advocate for child labor!
Parents have choices to make in their life, it just disappoints me to see that some folks think it's okay for their children to use such dangerous tools knowing full well what the consequences of their misuse could lead to, IRRESPONSIBLE to say the least. However that being said it's still THEIR choice. Hope they can LIVE with the consequences of their actions after thing go bad.
Parents have choices to make in their life, it just disappoints me to see that some folks think it's okay for their children to use such dangerous tools knowing full well what the consequences of their misuse could lead to, IRRESPONSIBLE to say the least. However that being said it's still THEIR choice. Hope they can LIVE with the consequences of their actions after thing go bad.
Re: I\'m an advocate for child labor!
Shameless plug:
For the fathers and mothers, with daughters and sons, who read this thread, may I recommend the trailer below?
http://www.queenofthesun.com/store/watch-instant/
Turn on the TV, gather the kids around, give them a honeycomb to break open and chew on; then watch nature take its course. They'll love you for the brain stretching (and the sugar high).
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Lookk up honeycomb on Amazon
Bob Wulkowicz
Shameless plug:
For the fathers and mothers, with daughters and sons, who read this thread, may I recommend the trailer below?
http://www.queenofthesun.com/store/watch-instant/
Turn on the TV, gather the kids around, give them a honeycomb to break open and chew on; then watch nature take its course. They'll love you for the brain stretching (and the sugar high).
.
Lookk up honeycomb on Amazon
Bob Wulkowicz
- Location
- Goderich, Ontario
Re: I\'m an advocate for child labor!
Now I am no father, but I am a big teaching buff.
A great starting point to teach someone younger, with a fraction of the risk is having them use a cheap handsaw, or even a skilky to understand compression/tension along with some simple notching.
That being said, I understand what it's like being brought up on a farm, and using a chainsaw is a dangerous activity, but so is anything else in the country by comparison.
I don't see anything wrong with the little one dragging brush and learning the trade, as long as you own the property and there is no money involved, so exploitation can't be argued. (although cash under the table is another lesson I think should be valued haha)
I give you props for trying, this forum can be harsh when it comes to safety, but being a hands on dad deserves props in my books.
Now I am no father, but I am a big teaching buff.
A great starting point to teach someone younger, with a fraction of the risk is having them use a cheap handsaw, or even a skilky to understand compression/tension along with some simple notching.
That being said, I understand what it's like being brought up on a farm, and using a chainsaw is a dangerous activity, but so is anything else in the country by comparison.
I don't see anything wrong with the little one dragging brush and learning the trade, as long as you own the property and there is no money involved, so exploitation can't be argued. (although cash under the table is another lesson I think should be valued haha)
I give you props for trying, this forum can be harsh when it comes to safety, but being a hands on dad deserves props in my books.
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