Fu*%face Von Clownstick

Yeah Tom I did. I listen to my local npr news station all day every day from sun up to sun down.
I though kris kobach and Liz were their typical divisive right wingers selfs. I admire Jeff flake and John McCain and all the other respectable conservatives. It was a good debate.

America needs to take a Trump Dump for 2020 and pick a proper conservative to run.


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The few times I remember hearing Kasich I was impressed. He seemed sincere and genuine. During the primary season there seems to be a lot of boasting and blathering for no reason other than to be different. It didn't like he bought into that posing.
 
On a side note, the last time I checked Devin Nunes' Cow was up to about 634,000 followers, making the imaginary cow vastly more popular than Devin Nunes. As if this nitwit wasn't quite as successful at proving the Streisand Effect as he should have been, his brilliant team of lawyers is apparently bent on outdoing him.

I need to make a Twitter account.. Devin Nunes' Lawyers' Turkey would be nice, if somebody hasn't already beat me to it.
 
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Rico, you are spot on, with the irony of the new Iran terrorism assertion. You won’t hear me put up much of an argument with anything you have to say in regards to how terrible a person he is especially as our president/spokes person. That odious, crusty, D-Bag doesn’t speak one word of representation for me or my constituency.

Tom, I really liked kasich and cristy as 2016 R nominees. I spent s fair amount of time chasing the candidates who were willing to go on either pbs or npr and campaign. Being a conservative leaning, totally moderate, independent. I really felt those two made for ideal choices in 2016. How they ran their campaign, bragging and blathering, was up to their managers. A bad overall choice in hindsight I’m sure. During the campaign season, I tune that crap out in most cases. I see a few solid, moderate, D candidates in the 2020 pool. They will get my vote unless the R’s get behind a new candidate to unseat trump.

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Did anyone else witness Bob Barr’s press conference performance this morning? There can now be zero doubt that he is not the Attorney General for the American people, but the personal defense lawyer for the president.
Unbelievable he stated that Trump couldn’t be held accountable for obstruction because Trump felt his presidency was under threat from the investigations. Barr also basically admitted that the Trump campaign assisted Wikileaks in disseminating the stolen emails. Holy shit!
Unfortunately for Trump and Barr they do not have the rule of law on their side. The Mueller report will be seen in its entirety by Congress and the public in the very near future. This Will be the beginning of the end for Trump, the most corrupt, compromised, dishonest President this country has ever had the misfortune of experiencing. Good riddance mutherfucker!
 
“The evidence we obtained about the President’s actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment,” the partially-redacted report says. “At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state."

Altogether different than what Barr told us. Barr also lied to us this morning when he stated the DOJ policy of not indicting a sitting president did not have any bearing on Mueller conclusions. Mueller states very clearly in his report that it in fact did.
 
Go read the section concerning Manafort, Gates, and Kilimnik in the cigar bar. Devastating evidence that Team Trump did in fact work with Russia.
 
Trump has covered his actions well, like any good mob boss. He is such an obvious control freak and ego maniac that there is no way in hell anyone is doing anything on his behalf without his full knowledge and instructions. Payoffs to porn stars, deals with the Russians to help him get elected, whatever; he is clearly pulling the strings. Make no mistake about that. His Drain The Swamp campaign BS is so ironic. Look at the growing list of his own flunkies indicted for lying and crimes commited on his behalf. I don't think we have witnessed a worst president in this nation's history. He is an incredible embarrassment. My Grandfather would make the most biting judgement of his era if he were alive; I know he would say that Trump is simply not a gentleman.
 
The redacted Mueller report is devastating to Trump. Despite the very carefully worded disinformation Bob Barr has told us over the last few weeks, the document clearly shows with massive evidence that Trump did in fact obstructed justice, and it is also very clear shows through the Manafort, Gates, Kilimnik meeting that Trumps campaign did work with Wikileaks to help disseminate the stolen emails.
Congress will soon get the full unreacted report and big decisions will be made. If they decide to move forward this document will be an extremely powerful tool for the removal/impeachment of our sitting president. Hallelujah!
 
How bout instead of spreading more foreign disinformation from a fucking foreigner you actually read the Mueller report. Mueller states very clearly that he could not prove that the Trump campaign conspired (not colluded) with Russia. He also clearly states that the Trump administration made getting to the truth very difficult, what with all their lying, obstruction, and destroying of evidence. He also makes it very clear that Trump asked for help from Russia, and willingly accepted help from this hostile foreign nation. We Know that Paul Manafort secretly passed on Trump campaign data to a Russian, and actually discussed a strategy to win the upper midwest states with this data. We also Know that the president of the USA publically asked for Russian assistance, and that assistance was delivered within hours of Trumps request. We also Know that the Trump campaign responded with “I Love It” when the Russians offered to help Trump win the Whitehouse, and showed up with their top 3 campaign officials to discuss the offer of help from the Russians. These are undeniable facts that are now in the public records, and rise to the very definition of cooperating with a hostile foreign nation to win a national election. There is clear and credible evidence that Trump carried out a massive obstruction of justice offensive to cover up these facts. Do we as a nation reward him for his unlawful obstruction or do we hold him accountable? Time will tell.

Any American that thinks this behavior is acceptable from our president has made a deal with the devil, and is blinded by their own partisanship. This is a very scary precedent. Will it now be acceptable for the next Democratic nominee for the presidency of the USA to work with Iran to secure the Oval Office? We as a nation are treading on some seriously slippery ground right now, and our very way of life is on the line. Is Donald J Trump really worth throwing our America way of life and our rule of law underneath the bus for?
 
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After reading even a bit of the report, I can't believe how anyone with half a brain could think that Trump cares about anything other than simply glorifying himself, covering his own arse, and also basically undoing anything that Obama managed to do regardless of whether it is good for the nation or not. His behavior in office is more akin to a vendetta from a mob boss than any sort of dependable leader who actually cares about his country. He is childish and insecure to an astonishing degree, for someone supposedly so successful. And he treats women, including his own wife, like mere possessions. That photo of him last year, walking ahead of his wife in the rain and hogging the umbrella, said it all. He is basically uncouth, bigoted white trash with money, nouveau riche to the extreme. It is significant that numbers of prominent republicans saw through his BS, like McCain, Romney, etc., and I am sure he has lost a lot of support from swing voters and the more intelligent republicans. Given that he did not win the popular vote to start with, I cannot see how he has any real chance in 2020. He has disappointed too many people with his erratic behavior and constant lying.
 
Given that he did not win the popular vote to start with, I cannot see how he has any real chance in 2020. He has disappointed too many people with his erratic behavior and constant lying.
Do not under-estimate the green light that Trump has giving Russia to again do what they did in 2016, but on a completely different level. Why wouldn’t they? The got away with it, and this administration has done nothing to punish them or taken any measure to stop it from happening again.

We just learned today that the director of Homeland Security tried to brief Trump on the already ongoing meddling that the Russians are doing into our 2020 elections. She was told by the new chief of staff not to brother Trump with this info. If I didnt know better I might come to the conclusion that our president is encouraging Russia to once again help him win an election? So much for his solemn oath to protect us.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...elevate-concerns-about-future-russian-n997961

I am truly mystified by his supporters. Did he give them the wall? Did Mexico pay for it? Did he repeal and replace ObamaCare and give them beautiful healthcare? Did he create millions of new manufacturing jobs in America? The coal mining industry risen from the grave? Did he fix their failing infrastructure? Did he give them that middle class tax cut he promised them? Did he stem the flow of illegal immigration, and fix their broken immigration system? Did he remove their national debt, which he promised to do in 8 years? How about that Middle East Peace deal that was gonna be so fucking easy. Where the fuck is it? Maybe a Trump supporter can step forward and please xplain what Trump has delivered them that is worth destroying our democracy for?
 
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Yes, a distinct possibility. I find it incredibly sad that such a large percentage of Americans are that gullible and their opinions that easily manipulated. Not surprising, I suppose, when one considers the nation's average literacy has fallen to something like 49th in the World, with many Third World countries better educated. And much of the US still has very profound isolationist tendencies, which work against the country functioning in a beneficial way in a Global community. Patriotism can be a double-edged weapon, when it goes beyond merely being proud of one's country and starts tending towards a conceited attitude that a given people are better than everyone else and more deserving. This is how wars and national declines begin.
 
Yes, a distinct possibility. I find it incredibly sad that such a large percentage of Americans are that gullible and their opinions that easily manipulated. Not surprising, I suppose, when one considers the nation's average literacy has fallen to something like 49th in the World, with many Third World countries better educated. And much of the US still has very profound isolationist tendencies, which work against the country functioning in a beneficial way in a Global community. Patriotism can be a double-edged weapon, when it goes beyond merely being proud of one's country and starts tending towards a conceited attitude that a given people are better than everyone else and more deserving. This is how wars and national declines begin.
Yea, I wonder if these Trumpsters felt a little safer when DJT dishonestly declared via twitter that the very real North Korean nuclear threat had miraculously been removed?

I wonder if they felt a sense of national pride when DJT denigrated, attacked, and insulted decorated war vets, and gold star families?

I wonder if they were proud as they watched their president decide to stand in front of the world and defend the murderous dictator Putin, instead of defending the thousands of hardworking patriotic men and woman of law enforcement, the FBI , the CIA, and the Intel community?

Were they super stoked to listen to their commander and chief once again throw his law own enforcement community under the bus while he (DJT) defended the murderous Royal Saudi Prince who got caught red handed killing a journalist/permanent US resident, and chopping him up into little tiny pieces?

Imagine their surprise when Trump recently told them that he had received many awards for his environmental work? Really? I thought the planet didn’t need saving? I’m fucking confused.

How any American can defend any of this is beyond me, but I am all ears. Anybody?
 
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I've tried to tease out an explanation about inconsistencies from a few supporters. In a very polite tone I ask for an explanation of how adultery and lying can be tolerated. Not even an attempt to answer a simple direct question. They divert into some evangelical blathering that side steps and ignores the simple question. It reminds me of watching That '70s Show. Scenes in the basement...that were more than a little smokey...and Kelso would start being prophetic. They seem to suffer from a mind fog.
 
I've tried to tease out an explanation about inconsistencies from a few supporters. In a very polite tone I ask for an explanation of how adultery and lying can be tolerated. Not even an attempt to answer a simple direct question. They divert into some evangelical blathering that side steps and ignores the simple question. It reminds me of watching That '70s Show. Scenes in the basement...that were more than a little smokey...and Kelso would start being prophetic. They seem to suffer from a mind fog.
This pretty much mirrors my experience. I particularly like all the so-called patriots, christians and evangelicals and their willingness to look the other way concerning this mans many sins. They really have made a deal with the devil. I sure hope for all our sakes that its worth it?

One thing that really worries me is if we as a nation don't hold our president accountable for his crimes, where does that leave our rule of law. If Trump is allowed to get away with felonious payoffs of pornstars, tax evasion, fraud, emoluments abuses, grabbing women by their pussies, and blatant obstruction of justice, then I should be allowed the grab a 12 pack from the liquor store without paying for it. Fuck it. I'm grabbing a bag of chips and a Slim Jim too. I should also be allow to kick the snot out of some racist prick after drinking said 12 pack if I feel inclined to do so. Fuck the rule of law. Its been destroyed! Gawd knows that my own experiences have taught me that the wheels of justice move extremely slow, but I'm starting to get more than a little worried. For real!
 
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