Fu*%face Von Clownstick

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You do realize the documents in question are not Donny’s to keep, or steal..
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what are yo talking about... these aren't the ones that were found in maralgo... Trump wanted to declassify them andmake them public because he thought that would help his case. It therefore would not have been him who made theme dissappear.. that makes about as much sense as the Russians blwoiong up their own pipeline..
 
treegongfu said:
If they can't stop Trump through these legal proceedings, and it looks like he will beat Biden in an election, it seems likely that they will find some pretext, war, terror attack, or pandemic, to cancel the election alltogether.

Would you support the canceling of the election to save the democracy from the threat to it that a second Trump presidency would pose?

I think many here would.
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I love the slight of hand that the Trumpster's are constantly attempting to pull off. Trump is being held accountable for his illegal attempts to overturn/undue the 2020 election, and you folks are calling that accountability "election interference".

Now MAGA is suggesting that the Dems will "cancel" the 2024 election, when it was IN FACT Trump who tried to postpone the 2020 election (something he had zero power to do).

The never ending attempts to turn reality upside down are fucking shameless and as dishonest as the day is long.

We wont forget the fact that Trump was caught red handed multiple times for attempting to interfere in our elections. Now you want to scream "foul" because he is being held legally accountable for his words and actions.

We won't forget the fact that Trump wanted and attempted to "postpone" the 2020 election. Now you are insinuating that the Dems will cancel the 2024 election on the pretext of a pandemic or war.

The old trick of blaming others of committing the crimes you are guilty of committing. I believe it's what's called projection, and somehow Donny has gotten a few million cult members to do his projecting for him. The very definition of a cult of personality.
 
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No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.

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It’s like they want him to win. Major boost in fundraising and fire up his base even more. With no chance this actually goes anywhere.
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They will have a myriad of means to try to derail the will of the people so they may not have to go to that extreme.

But I suspect you would support it. What if there is a power blackout in key swing states and CNN says that 50 intelligence agencies beleive Putin did it?
 
Bucknut said:
Order was stayed by the same court that issued it. Nothing changes until Jan 4.

Colorado Supreme Court is comprised of 7 Dems and the vote was still 4-3. Make of that what you will.

Fascinating that in order to “save our democracy” one side refuses to simply let us vote. Ah yes, that purest and most elusive form of democracy: distant unelected lawyers get to decide which candidates are suitable to appear on the peasants’ ballots.

This should end well.
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The Colorado Supreme Court, and really all courts, are SUPPOSED to be non partisan. You're conflating their appointments by Democratic Governors with them sharing ideology with those who appoint them. Maybe some Governors choose people they think will be fair and actually be non partisan? Colorado, like California, is a lot more purple than red or blue.

Could it be that any system of government will begin to fray at the edges and eventually fall apart completely as the size of the body of the governed grows?
 
treegongfu said:
If they can't stop Trump through these legal proceedings, and it looks like he will beat Biden in an election, it seems likely that they will find some pretext, war, terror attack, or pandemic, to cancel the election alltogether.
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we thinking about the same democratic party? the ones who were so arrogant and self-assured they boosted trump in the 2016 gop primary by treating him as the presumed nominee in campaign messaging, thinking he would mean an easy dem win? who neglected to campaign in wisconsin in 2016 because they had such a divisive candidate and no platform to speak of that poll numbers dropped after clinton visted places, so they just decided not to go anymore rather than change their platform or messaging? the party whose deeply unpopular foreign policy right now will maybe throw swing states and the entire 2024 election for them and whose only response to their concerned would-be base of voters is to condescend, scold, and double down? the party whose own senators can't be trusted to side with them on legislation? the party who squirms and weasels and kowtows to procedure over effect? this is the party youre worried about?

this may be small comfort coming from a non-american but i dont think you ever have to worry about the democratic party suddenly deciding power is more important than procedure. theres way more money to be made at all levels kowtowing to procedure, and nothing better for fundraising than opposing donald trump. marketing firms, think tanks, consultants, lobbyists. the modern democratic party is more of a career track for middlemen than a party interested in wielding power. they have no long term goal, their watchword is the status quo. five terms of democratic presidents didnt even seek to enshrine roe v wade in law, they just left it alone while the religious right mounted a fifty year long campaign to appoint enough judges throughout the judicial branch to reverse it, and succeeded! they couldnt even get universal healthcare through with a supermajority because theyre totally captured by lobbyists! and youre worried about them cancelling elections? i have to be honest, im not seeing the sleeping dragon here. i think the worst you personally have to worry about democrats is getting on their mailing list when they beg for money, because theyd rather lose and keep getting paid
 
its funny looking back on footage of the trump campaign on election night 2016, everyone is cheering and trump is sitting there stunned. even he didnt believe the democrats could throw an election so hard he could win.

poor donald trump. tricked by the endless 2008 campaign into treating the presidential election like any other reality show and only after doing all the episodes (pre-primary hype, primaries, super tuesday, convention, campaign, debates, election day) dominating the challenges every week and finally winning the big vote from the electoral college, at the end of the season, did he find out he was stuck doing a job he didnt want for FOUR ENTIRE YEARS. on other reality shows you just have to marry someone or get a bunch of money or something! he would have been so much happier complaining about criminal president hillary clinton on twitter all that time
 
Bucknut said:
Fascinating that in order to “save our democracy” one side refuses to simply let us vote. Ah yes, that purest and most elusive form of democracy: distant unelected lawyers get to decide which candidates are suitable to appear on the peasants’ ballots.

This should end well.
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The side that brought the case to the court in the first place? That would be the republicans.
 
Again with your fucking nonsense. Trump literally got caught redhanded trying to undo/overturn/derail the will of the American people and you want flip reality on its head.

You know what they say about assumptions, assholes, and opinions. Everybody's got one, and your assumption is way off the mark buddy. If either party were to attempt to call off an election i would be strongly opposed. I realize this is gonna be a hard concept for your to wrap your MAGA addled brain around, but just because Trump is willing to lie, cheat, and steal his way through life that doesn't mean the rest of us are...
 
Exactly. The Republicans did this all to themselves. They have no one to blame but themselves. Run a lying, cheating, thief, and traitor to the Constitution as a candidate for the presidency, and you get what you deserve, and all the blame that goes along with it.
The Democrats are not pushing any of this. The laws of the United States are pushing back against a person who pays no attention to the laws.
You can blame whoever you want, but you should be looking at the asshole that has 91 felony counts against him at the moment.
Oh, and that missing folder... Last seen being carried out of the White House by Mark Meadows. Per White House security tapes. So, who do you think orchestrated that disappearance? Any guess other than The Duck himself would be stretching things even a bit far, even for MAGA people.
I only wish the laws allowed the U.S. to go after the Republican party for their actions. They should be held accountable for pushing this criminal. All they want is to get a Republican in, and they don't care what kind of low life it is as long as it is a Republican. Sad state of affairs we are in these days.
 
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Sometimes I think they are just trying to get him re-elected. If you want to call him an insurrectionist then charge him with insurrection and hold a trial. Otherwise this is just a nice campaign boost that Trump has proven works every time. Merry Christmas Trump.


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hume1010 said:
Sometimes I think they are just trying to get him re-elected. If you want to call him an insurrectionist then charge him with insurrection and hold a trial. Otherwise this is just a nice campaign boost that Trump has proven works every time. Merry Christmas Trump.


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Next Christmas make him a cake with a file in it.
 
hume1010 said:
Sometimes I think they are just trying to get him re-elected. If you want to call him an insurrectionist then charge him with insurrection and hold a trial. Otherwise this is just a nice campaign boost that Trump has proven works every time. Merry Christmas Trump.


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Notice how the 14th has no mention of charges, trial, or conviction. And please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe precedent has been set regarding charges, trial, or conviction. None was necessary or used In the past.

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The precedent for 14th Amendment disqualification - CREW | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington

At least eight public officials have been formally adjudicated to be disqualified and barred from public office under Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment since its ratification in 1868.
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hume1010 said:
Sometimes I think they are just trying to get him re-elected. If you want to call him an insurrectionist then charge him with insurrection and hold a trial. Otherwise this is just a nice campaign boost that Trump has proven works every time. Merry Christmas Trump.


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And didn’t Congress charge and impeach Trump for “incitement of insurrection”.
 
Your fear is palpable. If he’s so clearly horrible, let the people vote for someone else.

It’s becoming clear that your real enemy is your fellow citizens with whom you disagree. They can’t be trusted to vote the way you want, so you ban their candidates from the ballot. Sounds vaguely Putin-esque.

But again, thank you for “saving democracy” by choosing which candidates you’ll permit me to vote for.
 
The Government of this country decided who can't be on the ballot, not any of us. It is called laws. Something Trump knows nothing about, or at least pays no attention to. Just like you. Laws. The laws decided that Trump can't be on the ballot. Your laws. You seem to want to blame Trump's breaking the laws as the fault of the people who don't like him. That is as Flawed as it can get. Always throwing the blame where it does not belong.
 
Bucknut said:
Your fear is palpable. If he’s so clearly horrible, let the people vote for someone else.

It’s becoming clear that your real enemy is your fellow citizens with whom you disagree. They can’t be trusted to vote the way you want, so you ban their candidates from the ballot. Sounds vaguely Putin-esque.

But again, thank you for “saving democracy” by choosing which candidates you’ll permit me to vote for.
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Hey, aren’t you the fella who had no problem with Trump soliciting the Georgia Secreatary of State to commit voter fraud by “finding” him 11,780 votes. I think you claimed it was nothing more than freedom of speech, or some such nonsense. Talk about not trusting your fellow citizen to vote that way you want, and instead resorting to some good old fashioned cheating. You my friend are hypocrite of the highest order.
 
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The 14th amendment is not “self enforcing.” Section 5 is the enforcing provision and it puts the power solely in the hands of Congress to pass legislation covering the whole of the article and they did. Its 18USC2383 the rebellion and insurrection act to which no one has been charged.


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The house cannot convict they can only send it to the senate which he did and he wasn’t convicted. So a bunch of democrat judges can’t just say they don’t like someone and they think he’s guilty of insurrection there has to be an actual trial where he’s found guilty. That’s why a panel of democrat judges in Minnesota and others have said no it’s not legal. SCOTUS should overturn it but who knows they’ve proven pretty weak kneed.


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