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Quite true mrtree. The original extreme vetting process. Watch out folks with speech impediments...

How about muslim sects that are a minority in their country of origin? Does that count if they can demonstrate persecution? Kurds?
 
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Judges 12: 5-6

And the Gileadites took the passages of Jordan before the Ephraimites: and it was so, that when those Ephraimites which were escaped said, Let me go over; that the men of Gilead said unto him, Art thou an Ephraimite? If he said, Nay;

6 Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand.
 
I'm heartened by the courts and outpouring of people showing up to shout down these archaic policies - we only have 3 years and 355 days left, hopefully less. His business ties and romance with Putin will reveal that the emperor has no clothes


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Just a general comment on two things which I have observed (not directly related to anything others have said above). When George Bush II was in power and they restarted the war with Iraq, they made 2 things crystal clear in their public communications and actions: 1. Respect for Islam, but not for the terrorists, 2. We are not after your Oil.

You know you could quibble about whether we really were after their oil, because it was through Iraqi oil revenues that Iraq was going to rebuild itself. That oil ended up on the world market all the same and so, yes, we did "get their oil". And, yes, you could probably quibble about 1., because, after all liberal democracy is diametrically opposed to Shariah Law.

But what is most remarkable is the fact that Donald Trump has made explicit what Bush II tried to hide, namely, a public disrespect for Islam (not just terrorists) and our interest in "maybe" taking the oil this time. In his remarks to the CIA he says that this time we're going go after ISIS and we're going to take their oil. https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000004886212/watch-live-trump-at-the-cia.html

So, in a matter of days, the new President has explicitly told the Islamic world that we hostile to them and that we are after their oil. The Bush administration and Obama administration had done much good to restore our relationship with the people of the middle east, despite our interventions. President Trump is acting like he is a television celebrity in search of higher ratings. This game is very dangerous and many people will suffer because of it.

When you see D. Trump--an obvious narcissist-- just now entitled to act as President on behalf of the USA, you see these statements through diktats and tweets as he is inclined to do, unvetted by the careful vetting usually done by the State Department upon official pronouncements by POTUS you fucking wonder. But we all knew this and so did much of the Republican establishment. Mitt Romney's advice on the man : "we should not let this man's imagination become fastened to reality".
 
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Have a look at what's happening in Europe before you mourn the leftist immigration policies of Obama and the robust response from Trump.

Well intentioned political correctness and the fallacy of the multi-culturalist dream has now led to a crisis in Europe which is leading to the rise of the far right because ordinary reasonable citizens are sick of not having their concerns about mass immigration addressed by the mainstream political parties. What is unfolding in Europe now will probably end with widespread civil unrest and eventually the complete capitulation of Europe to Islam.

Do not let this happen to America

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TC, I haven't read the rest of your quotes and I don't know the depth of your commitment to staunching the flow of immigrants. I completely sympathize with the resentment felt on behalf of the host nations who are watching the social safety nets get stretched to the breaking point by the influx of immigrants. In my mind it showed a lack of courage that the West did not engage in humanitarian intervention in those cities and return them promptly to their long established abodes and habitations. Why the fuck we did not do that but chose to take on board millions and millions of displaced peoples is quite frankly beyond me.
 
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TC, I haven't read the rest of your quotes and I don't know the depth of your commitment to staunching the flow of immigrants. I completely sympathize with the resentment felt on behalf of the host nations who are watching the social safety nets get stretched to the breaking point by the influx of immigrants. In my mind it showed a lack of courage that the West did not engage in humanitarian intervention in those cities and return them promptly to their long established abodes and habitations. Why the fuck we did not do that but chose to take on board millions and millions of displaced peoples is quite frankly beyond me.
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To establish multiple split societys and differences. All these immigrants care nothing of our constitution. America is a far better place to live and prosper than where they come from as it is. It makes 'We The People' a smaller percentage.
 
So you all believe our current system of vetting needed no reform and our way of allowing people into our country from terror prone countries with extremely different ideologys than ours posed no risk to our people or culture?
 
In terms of the challenge of radical Islam, one of the main problems is the pervasive ideology of Western 'multiculturalism' and how it manifests itself in the abstract with the notion that Islamists are simply the fundamentalist counterparts to any other religion. How often do we hear that Islamic extremists are no different from Christian extremists - the isolated examples of David Koresh, Westboro Baptist Church or the Rev. Jim Jones are cited ad nauseam as the morally and numerically equivalent bookends to hundreds of radical Islamic terrorist acts that plague the world each month. Multiculturalist doctrine says we are not to assess other religions by any absolute standard, given that such judgements would inevitably be prejudiced by endemic Western (and sometimes 'white') privilege. We're told time and time again by elites in the media, academia and politics that there is nothing in the Sermon on the Mount that differs much from what is found in the Koran. And on and on these lies are repeated over and over again as a blatant form of social engineering, Orwellian Newspeak.

Multiculturalism demands of us the notion that all cultures are equal, but this is simply untrue.

 
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Multiculturalism demands of us the notion that all cultures are equal, but this is simply untrue.
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Once again, white supremacist newspeak. Your tired tirades and tantrums have no nuance and continue to reveal you ultranationalist viewpoints.

Moreover you continually point at a symptom and erroneously conclude a cause - it is their backwards religion. I'd say it is continual warfare and kleptocracy and a multitude of factors that drives people to being militant.

Where in the US government does REAL policy not exist to protect citizens from radical groups? In fact, we have laws that coin Muslim extremists as terrorists, which bring more punitive charges, while other extremists like Dylan Roof are not labeled terrorists by the law. To me, both, by definition, are terrorists.

We have a constitution and well established law to work out what is just and unjust discrimination- it is to protect all of us from white extremism or radical Islam.





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Once again, white supremacist newspeak. Your tired tirades and tantrums have no nuance and continue to reveal you ultranationalist viewpoints.

Moreover you continually point at a symptom and erroneously conclude a cause - it is their backwards religion. I'd say it is continual warfare and kleptocracy and a multitude of factors that drives people to being militant.

Where in the US government does REAL policy not exist to protect citizens from radical groups? In fact, we have laws that coin Muslim extremists as terrorists, which bring more punitive charges, while other extremists like Dylan Roof are not labeled terrorists by the law. To me, both, by definition, are terrorists.

We have a constitution and well established law to work out what is just and unjust discrimination- it is to protect all of us from white extremism or radical Islam.





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Your an asshole with your white supremacist shit. I didn't know treebuzz would allow them on their site. To insinuate that is extremely uncalled for. A joke or a rip is fine but you got a lot of balls to keep saying such dumb stuff, attacking people for seeing stuff differently. That's why trump got elected because white people were tired of hearing how terrible they are for voicing concerns
 
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Your an asshole with your white supremacist shit. I didn't know treebuzz would allow them on their site. To insinuate that is extremely uncalled for. A joke or a rip is fine but you got a lot of balls to keep saying such dumb stuff, attacking people for seeing stuff differently. That's why trump got elected because white people were tired of hearing how terrible they are for voicing concerns
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Have you read what is being said? He clearly thinks that Islam is a lower form of culture- that is white supremacist ideology.

Just because someone has a viewpoint that dodges and darts and flirts with being nice, doesn't mean that it's undertone and core ideology isn't hateful.

He is advocating for persecution while playing the victim - do you know what that means?

Persecution is the systematic mistreatment of an individual or group by another individual or group. The most common forms are religious persecution, ethnic persecution and political persecution, though there is naturally some overlap between these terms. The inflicting of suffering, harassment, imprisonment, internment, fear, or pain are all factors that may establish persecution, but not all suffering will necessarily establish persecution. The suffering experienced by the victim must be sufficiently severe.

Just because someone doesn't understand what white supremacy is or feels 'misunderstood' doesn't make their thoughts or words any less authoritarian.

I don't have to play nice with extremists


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