Jem4417
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Alright jd, finding Bigfoot is on, good bye clarice
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What we seem to have here is a classic case of Dicks, Assholes, & Pussies.
Once you pick a narrative and believe it's the "truth" and decide to stick to it you are just another wackadoo adding to the problem.
Anyone who thinks their ideas, way, path etc should be embraced by the masses is a selfish piece of shit, no matter what religion, political beliefs, ethnicity, sexual interest, or whatever.
You right wingers are overly threatened by the brown peeps and you liberals are like a woman who thinks it's legit to run somebody over with her car because they called her fat .
Get a life nerds
Once you pick a narrative and believe it's the "truth" and decide to stick to it you are just another wackadoo adding to the problem.
Anyone who thinks their ideas, way, path etc should be embraced by the masses is a selfish piece of shit, no matter what religion, political beliefs, ethnicity, sexual interest, or whatever.
You right wingers are overly threatened by the brown peeps and you liberals are like a woman who thinks it's legit to run somebody over with her car because they called her fat .
Get a life nerds
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Whenever I meet a somewhat intelligent, able-bodied person I confess to thinking that he or she ought to be climbing trees.
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Just about covers everything discussed in the last few pages of this thread
treebing
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Just say it in a sarcastic british accent and it all makes perfect sense. thank you I feel so much safer now.
treebing
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according to the order. Muslim minorities in the Congo should now be getting preferential treatment over their Christian counterparts. This would also be the case for Muslim Royhinga in Myanmar. We will see right? But anyway, I still don't know what kind of test you run to determine ones religion. I wonder what they would conclude if they were to interview me.
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I just wanted to admit the core of common sense that runs through TC and Jem's threads. We liberals are not used to hearing such harsh condemnation of other peoples. The last 40 years (the era of Civil Rights and Multiculturalism) have drilled this possibility out of us. I wanted to concede, however, that Islam --specifically political forms of Islam--are indeed incompatible with liberal democracies such as ours in North America and in Western Europe. When millions of Muslims enter liberal democracies, one wonders whether there will be conflicts that arise from the deeper structural problems. I hear TC and Jem raising this point. We liberals should have a better answer for them.
As I mentioned before, it is a fools errand (IMHO) to keep taking on displaced peoples. Refugees are not a good idea from any angle if the problem can be resolved at the source. The West should gather the courage and resolve to do the nation building that has to be done in that region. We should aim to resettle these peoples back into their own societies with strong guidance from the West. But it should be clear that liberalism with its emphasis on tolerance and respect of others is not itself respected by certain radical ideologies and is itself vulnerable. Such unreasonable peoples cannot coherently belong to a liberal society. The multicultural world is not a reflection of multiculturalism in the university, but something perhaps graver and harder. Liberalism is at its limits here....St. Rawls, we need your help!
As I mentioned before, it is a fools errand (IMHO) to keep taking on displaced peoples. Refugees are not a good idea from any angle if the problem can be resolved at the source. The West should gather the courage and resolve to do the nation building that has to be done in that region. We should aim to resettle these peoples back into their own societies with strong guidance from the West. But it should be clear that liberalism with its emphasis on tolerance and respect of others is not itself respected by certain radical ideologies and is itself vulnerable. Such unreasonable peoples cannot coherently belong to a liberal society. The multicultural world is not a reflection of multiculturalism in the university, but something perhaps graver and harder. Liberalism is at its limits here....St. Rawls, we need your help!
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treebing
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good way to put it ward. absolutely we should be working on solving things at the source. there can be no way to do that if there is not an open dialogue. putting walls around our problems and trying to hide them is no answer.
Reagan: Liberty is of foreign birth
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/01/29/orig-reagan-lady-liberty-legacy-1986.cnn
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/01/29/orig-reagan-lady-liberty-legacy-1986.cnn
Jem4417
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Obviously*
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josep...-years_b_14461896.html?utm_hp_ref=arab-spring
My guess is Syria will be partitioned like India and Pakistan, only Sunni north and Shia south (this is the proposed endgame that Iran would like--area south of Damascus would be predominantly Shia, possibly in the hope that Hezbollah will emerge more prominently in Lebanon). There will be more bloodshed as people try to get over to the proper side, and the rift between certain subgroups of Shia and Sunni is pretty deep. If the US could act as an "honest broker" (no self-interest in the outcome like oil and making money or installing a puppet who sells the country out to big corporate interests), then it might be possible to help with self-determination which is healthier than nation-building. The Norwegians are more gifted at this type of diplomacy where they just facilitate the conversation and not try to leverage a deal for themselves (e.g., they got oil, don't need any from elsewhere).
Too many missed opportunities however. Not sure if all the king's horses and all the king's men...
But guess what? All of human history has been a constant stream of people moving from one place to another due to drought, extreme weather that destroys food supplies, conflict with other tribes, etc... Syrian conflict has roots in climate change when too many rural people could not farm and moved into the cities, and then couldn't find a way to survive in an over-crowded environment. Assad ignored the stress they were under, got peaceful demonstrators who called on him to do something or step aside, then started killing people who criticized him. So, is our moral choice to let him slaughter everyone he can, or do we consider how to care for those who had to get out to stay alive?
We just had that wet flannel, Kelly Anne Conway, say that any reporter who criticizes Trump should be fired. Seriously? Is there going to be a time when verbal threats become something more? This is a guy who freaks out on Twitter when some one makes a joke about something he's done. Could it get worse? Rumor has it that Assad allowed his prisons to be sites for "rendition" by the US of Al-Quaeda suspects during the Afghanistan/Iraq wars so wouldn't the big irony be protesters from America being flown there to be waterboarded?
We are not in normal times. Trump's election has brought us here. A lot of flammable material lying around and we have a pyro at the helm.
My guess is Syria will be partitioned like India and Pakistan, only Sunni north and Shia south (this is the proposed endgame that Iran would like--area south of Damascus would be predominantly Shia, possibly in the hope that Hezbollah will emerge more prominently in Lebanon). There will be more bloodshed as people try to get over to the proper side, and the rift between certain subgroups of Shia and Sunni is pretty deep. If the US could act as an "honest broker" (no self-interest in the outcome like oil and making money or installing a puppet who sells the country out to big corporate interests), then it might be possible to help with self-determination which is healthier than nation-building. The Norwegians are more gifted at this type of diplomacy where they just facilitate the conversation and not try to leverage a deal for themselves (e.g., they got oil, don't need any from elsewhere).
Too many missed opportunities however. Not sure if all the king's horses and all the king's men...
But guess what? All of human history has been a constant stream of people moving from one place to another due to drought, extreme weather that destroys food supplies, conflict with other tribes, etc... Syrian conflict has roots in climate change when too many rural people could not farm and moved into the cities, and then couldn't find a way to survive in an over-crowded environment. Assad ignored the stress they were under, got peaceful demonstrators who called on him to do something or step aside, then started killing people who criticized him. So, is our moral choice to let him slaughter everyone he can, or do we consider how to care for those who had to get out to stay alive?
We just had that wet flannel, Kelly Anne Conway, say that any reporter who criticizes Trump should be fired. Seriously? Is there going to be a time when verbal threats become something more? This is a guy who freaks out on Twitter when some one makes a joke about something he's done. Could it get worse? Rumor has it that Assad allowed his prisons to be sites for "rendition" by the US of Al-Quaeda suspects during the Afghanistan/Iraq wars so wouldn't the big irony be protesters from America being flown there to be waterboarded?
We are not in normal times. Trump's election has brought us here. A lot of flammable material lying around and we have a pyro at the helm.
Opinion: How '1984' can decode Trump's first 100 days
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/31/opinions/why-we-read-1984-urbelis-opinion/index.html
Alternative Facts.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/31/opinions/why-we-read-1984-urbelis-opinion/index.html
Alternative Facts.
TC
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Meanwhile.....back in the real world
The closest thing to 1984 today is North Korea.
If you posted an equivalent article in North Korea you'd be disappeared by the secret police - never to be seen again. The reason for this is that the state does not want you to be seen as a martyr. It's common practice of totalitarian regimes to make dissenters disappear......forever. That is the brutally cruel and oppressive regime Orwell speaks of in 1984. At the time of writing it was a commentary on the Soviet Union.
In short, the CNN article is an alarmist and facile piece of nonsense written by a self proclaimed hacker - the kind of absurd non entity who simply doesnt register with ordinary decent folk out there in the real world.
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I say we impeach then deport Trump for treason - TC can host him as a refugee, let him beat the ultranationalist drum, and wreak and isolate his country
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treebing
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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/01/world/europe/vladimir-putin-donald-trump-terrorism.html
interesting bit on our leader in russia. the KGB know how to do security.
interesting bit on our leader in russia. the KGB know how to do security.
