Fu*%face Von Clownstick

It's not gone unnoticed the very unusual alliance of the liberal left and political Islam, many leftists are simply beyond help and seem blissfully unaware or simply ignorant of the true nature of certain aspects of Islamic culture. Many Americans simply fail to grasp the consequences of giving special privilege to a religion that seeks to destroy the west. Europe is learning the hard way.

 
Have a look at what's happening in Europe before you mourn the leftist immigration policies of Obama and the robust response from Trump.

Well intentioned political correctness and the fallacy of the multi-culturalist dream has now led to a crisis in Europe which is leading to the rise of the far right because ordinary reasonable citizens are sick of not having their concerns about mass immigration addressed by the mainstream political parties. What is unfolding in Europe now will probably end with widespread civil unrest and eventually the complete capitulation of Europe to Islam.

Do not let this happen to America

 
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It's not gone unnoticed the very unusual alliance of the liberal left and political Islam, many leftists are simply beyond help and seem blissfully unaware or simply ignorant of the true nature of certain aspects of Islamic culture. Many Americans simply fail to grasp the consequences of giving special privilege to a religion that seeks to destroy the west. Europe is learning the hard way.
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Where do you live?


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The taxi driver clearly recognized he was at fault, plead guilty and paid the fine, and admitted he will now obey the law. Yes, dogs are not always regarded well by persons practicing Islam, cats are preferred for their cleanliness. The driver could easily have been someone who had a serious phobia around dogs because of a traumatic experience and might have reacted badly in that case too. I have seen phobic people who have been totally reduced to quivering jelly around a chihuahua.

Having Muslim friends, I have found them to be consistently kind, generous, and respectful of differences. Every group has their extremists and even just "bad apples". I have been shat upon by members of different groups of all stripes, and some of the self-proclaimed Christians have been among the worst. This is why I worship trees and cats. Funnily enough, the Muslims I know have been terrifically kind and a joy to know. They have learned from the Quran that women are equals (a lot of the negative traditions are holdovers from pre-Islamic tribal customs), education for women is important--for pity's sake, the US still hasn't had a female president but 3 Islamic countries have had female heads of government.

Maybe when Western countries stamp them all as murderous thugs, Daesh/IS will have even more fuel to the fires of inhumanity they've stoked in themselves. But their goal is to build a Islamic Empire in the Middle East and many of their fellow Muslims have said, "No thank you." Threats on other targets are to create the hatred that they hope will convert those Muslims who fail to agree with them. If we rise to the bait, we will have just played right into their hands.

We all have a choice. I choose to be unafraid because I have pursued to understand and not judge too quickly.
 
We really should open the border for everyone. It would be really nice and people would learn a lot from other people
 
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It's sickening...
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I won't debate it because everyone gets an opinion, but here's mine.

1.6 billion people. That's how many Muslims live on this planet, if they wanted you enslaved or dead, you would be enslaved, or dead.

The real problem I see here is othering. Also called stereotyping. Anytime someone takes the worst examples of actions they can find people doing, and then assumes the worst motivations, then blankets all that assuming on to 1.6 billion other humans as if they were all the exact same thing...

Is like touching poison oak and concluding that all leaves in the world are toxic. The oversimplification is staggering.
 
DruidCarol said:
The taxi driver clearly recognized he was at fault, plead guilty and paid the fine, and admitted he will now obey the law. Yes, dogs are not always regarded well by persons practicing Islam, cats are preferred for their cleanliness. The driver could easily have been someone who had a serious phobia around dogs because of a traumatic experience and might have reacted badly in that case too. I have seen phobic people who have been totally reduced to quivering jelly around a chihuahua.

Having Muslim friends, I have found them to be consistently kind, generous, and respectful of differences. Every group has their extremists and even just "bad apples". I have been shat upon by members of different groups of all stripes, and some of the self-proclaimed Christians have been among the worst. This is why I worship trees and cats. Funnily enough, the Muslims I know have been terrifically kind and a joy to know. They have learned from the Quran that women are equals (a lot of the negative traditions are holdovers from pre-Islamic tribal customs), education for women is important--for pity's sake, the US still hasn't had a female president but 3 Islamic countries have had female heads of government.

Maybe when Western countries stamp them all as murderous thugs, Daesh/IS will have even more fuel to the fires of inhumanity they've stoked in themselves. But their goal is to build a Islamic Empire in the Middle East and many of their fellow Muslims have said, "No thank you." Threats on other targets are to create the hatred that they hope will convert those Muslims who fail to agree with them. If we rise to the bait, we will have just played right into their hands.

We all have a choice. I choose to be unafraid because I have pursued to understand and not judge too quickly.
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Everything you say points towards you being afraid of being critical of Islam.


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FreeFallin said:
I won't debate it.
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It's not open for debate.

Any reasonable and decent person witnessing the sight of a Muslim taxi driver refusing a fare from a disabled man and his guide dog could only ever describe it as sickening.

Yet we see you only too ready to defend Islam. Not the rights of the disabled man and his guide dog.

Like Druidcarol your an apologist for Islam. You give Islam the special privilege it demands. Fearful of criticising and questioning why the taxi driver behaved the way he did you instead resort to theorising in the abstract about Muslim demographics, 'othering' and poison oak leaves.

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TC said:
It's not open for debate.

Any reasonable and decent person...
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Ya, I get it, you live with fear and hatred directed at an arbitrary and generalized group of people you call "Islam" as if it were one thing... that spans hundreds of countries, thousands of languages, and cultures, and 1.6 billion individual life experiences.

Then you choose to spend your time writing about how horrid and scary your massive grouping of humanity is because they are each connected in your mind exactly the same way by birth, politics, choice or happenstance to a 1400 year old religious belief with no central organization or unifying set of practices.

When pressed, you offer evidence of a taxi driver that doesn't like dogs.

Seems reasonable and decent I suppose, just not the direction I like to climb a tree.

Have fun, I'm good. :loco:
 
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It's not open for debate.

Any reasonable and decent person witnessing the sight of a Muslim taxi driver refusing a fare from a disabled man and his guide dog could only ever describe it as sickening.

Yet we see you only too ready to defend Islam. Not the rights of the disabled man and his guide dog.

Like Druidcarol your an apologist for Islam. You give Islam the special privilege it demands. Fearful of criticising and questioning why the taxi driver behaved the way he did you instead resort to theorising in the abstract about Muslim demographics, 'othering' and poison oak leaves.

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This is a weak stance. Why not break it down on an individual who f-ed up and made a mistake. Every culture and religion had their strong points and not so strong points. Equal rights is just that, equal. People will make mistakes and have miss understandings, I feel for the blind man with the service dog. Hell I even once almost kicked out a customer in a restaurant that I worked in, until a coworker shut me down. I was presumptuous and f-ed up. It happens. If I were Jewish and it was a pig and not a dog would it mean that I am putting my rights above the pig owners?
 
FreeFallin said:
Ya, I get it, you live with fear and hatred directed at an arbitrary and generalized group of people you call "Islam" as if it were one thing... that spans hundreds of countries, thousands of languages, and cultures, and 1.6 billion individual life experiences.

Then you choose to spend your time writing about how horrid and scary your massive grouping of humanity is because they are each connected in your mind exactly the same way by birth, politics, choice or happenstance to a 1400 year old religious belief with no central organization or unifying set of practices.

When pressed, you offer evidence of a taxi driver that doesn't like dogs.

Seems reasonable and decent I suppose, just not the direction I like to climb a tree.

Have fun, I'm good. :loco:
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Nice virtue signalling. Well done.

Now back to reality, I made the posts above not because I hate Islam, nor do I have any special hostility against individual Muslims, but simply to highlight how Muslims act in accordance to what they perceive is the verifiable truth based on the texts of the Koran and the Hadith. Until the west acknowledges the received 'truths' of Islamic teachings we will never defeat the violence associated with Islamism nor will moderates and reformers within the religion.

In fact you do highlight a problem, we do risk encouraging whole populations to take against all of Islam and abandon all those Muslims who are trying desperately to modernise and reform their faith. This would be the fault of people like you whose refusal to confront the issues only ends up encouraging the Islamists. Karma will not sort all of this out as much as you might want it to.

You're being facile regarding the taxi driver and the disabled man with his guide dog. It is one example of many of how Muslims in the west constantly push for their beliefs to take precedence over all others.




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