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Its also far to easy to label those that dont completely agree with a more Right viewpoint as Marxists, socialists, communists, etc. However when one who's views are more moderate, centrist, or perhaps even Left-leaning counters that some opposing viewpoints are Fascist-leaning the OTHER politically correct police are up in arms.

Perhaps peace, love, understanding, and negotiation is a thing of the past.

There's a happy thought.

Funnily enough, I have learned that the Arabic word "to name" is "ism". While my research shows that we acquired "-ism" at the end of words like capital-ism, social-ism, etc. from ancient Greek, there was quite a bit of language exchange back in the mists of time that makes me wonder about the Greek origin. Sorry, just being an annoying old cow. :whistle:
 
I vest a lot of my views on different people on how individuals treat one another, in spite of group size or any belief system, etc. I do fail to see how many Muslims answering a call to prayer peacefully and quietly in a UK park is oppressing Britons; England, along with other continental Christians that had the same grotesque idea, sent early Christian soldiers to the Holy Land to deal with Muslims by the sword , but never mind that, it's history. Anyway, I actually went to Youtube and treated myself to some videos of Christmas shoppers on Black Friday in America beating the crap out of each other for kitchen appliances and TVs after watching the large Muslim prayer ritual that was so calm, quiet, meditative and peaceful, and frankly --right there my brain kind of broke.

I don't follow any religion (remember, I worship trees and cats, though not necessarily cats in trees), even the Buddhists can't have me because they have their own bickering and squabbles. I will honor and respect others beliefs when they adhere to the one tenet EVERY religious doctrine has had in one form or another: "Do unto others as you would have done unto you." "Show kindness." Even indigenous peoples have this kind of teaching within their moral codes and belief systems.

So, for those of you who are able to see an individual stripped of any dogma or bias or, as the late Marshall Rosenberg who founded a school of peaceful communication would say, not seeing only enemies in your exchange with others, I will share a video slideshow I created (practicing to do similar things for small businesses like the ones you might run, gentle lads and lasses--or in the case of @FreeFallin, whichever one you feel like on a given day! HA! I do like your chicken, by the way.)

A few notes for you to decide if you want to watch: this is a visual story of a Syrian in Aleppo who has already been much admired in other stories and videos for his determination to live under siege for 6 years to care for abandoned cats and dogs and other animals when others fled Assad's bombs. This "Cat Man of Aleppo" also has volunteered as an ambulance driver and rescue worker for Syria Charity, a Paris-based nonprofit. The story of all the cats (which, sadly, half of the 150+ cats and kittens were lost in a suspected chlorine bombing in November) that Mohammad Alaa Aljaleel had provided food and sanctuary has been the main focus, but he also has rescued children and adults, provided a playground for local children (many orphans) to come forget the war when the bombings abated periodically, and used his pre-war skills as an electrician to help get people basic running water and electricity. In the slideshow, you also see him with elderly people: these are Syrian Christians who were too frail, old and sick to leave Aleppo and were abandoned in a monastery. Alaa always ensured he visited them regularly, bringing the children to help him and to get to know their Christian neighbors, as well as food and drink. He visited an asylum to ensure those there with severe mental disorders had medicine and care. When the evacuation of Aleppo came in December, Alaa arranged for the remaining cats to have caregivers (either families leaving the city or a few who have remained behind) and as an ambulance driver, he and his colleagues escorted the sick and wounded to Idlib for Syria Charity to get care to them. He is not done. There is an Italian-based charity that is raising money for him to rebuild a new pet sanctuary that will also include a playground, a medical clinic and an orphanage. He has seen the positive effects of traumatized people when they get to cuddle with the cats and he wants to use pet therapy to help restore victims' emotional well-being.

Not asking anyone to financially support this except if you are interested and want to give from your heart. I just want to put this out there as a statement that, in the end, people can come through horrors and still not hate nor want to kill. I know there are all kinds of people of every stripe who are also just like Alaa that we never hear about (he has a better PR service, perhaps?LOL!) Alaa probably is a mediocre Muslim who isn't too rigid about practice, who takes the commitment to provide charity to those in need and to "do unto others" literally. Who knows how many other Alaas we might be able to welcome? What I have seen, I would entrust this man with my life--don't care what his nationality or religious practice is. He only is angry with those who choose to kill for power, Assad, the Russians, the Hezbollah, the Islamic State adherents, extremists who break a lot of the Islamic covenants. He is a Muslim and an Arab, but he is not "them". He gives many of us hope for our world. See if you might agree. No need to say anything, just mull it over inside of you and quietly make your choice. You see, no one needs to answer to me or anybody about what they feel inside. You own that. I own mine. We can still live in peace, too.

[Warning: I do include some brief images of carnage in Aleppo]

 
Funnily enough, I have learned that the Arabic word "to name" is "ism". While my research shows that we acquired "-ism" at the end of words like capital-ism, social-ism, etc. from ancient Greek, there was quite a bit of language exchange back in the mists of time that makes me wonder about the Greek origin. Sorry, just being an annoying old cow. :whistle:


Careful or you might get called demented etymological lady. :LOL:

You are also in danger of exposing the false construct of us and them. If the culture and language that makes us...us, actually came from them, and everyone else, then they really are just more of us, and WE have some things to fix.

The concept of "to name" is fascinating even beyond the likely Arabic origins, I like James Baldwin's take on why we need to label and group negatively -

"What you say about somebody else (you know) anybody else, reveals you. What I think of you as being is dictated by my own necessities, my own psychology, my own fears and desires. I’m not describing you when I talk about you…I’m describing me."
 
Careful or you might get called demented etymological lady. :LOL:

You are also in danger of exposing the false construct of us and them. If the culture and language that makes us...us, actually came from them, and everyone else, then they really are just more of us, and WE have some things to fix.

The concept of "to name" is fascinating even beyond the likely Arabic origins, I like James Baldwin's take on why we need to label and group negatively -

"What you say about somebody else (you know) anybody else, reveals you. What I think of you as being is dictated by my own necessities, my own psychology, my own fears and desires. I’m not describing you when I talk about you…I’m describing me."

I'll be the first to admit that I am biased and am quickly losing my tolerance for the "other" - at some point I have to draw a line in the sand and say that's enough - I don't want to go down the path of internment again or roll back civil rights and coddle hatred as just a misunderstood point of view


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I'll be the first to admit that I am biased and am quickly losing my tolerance for the "other"

We all have bias of one kind or another, ignorance or denial of that bias is what gives it power over us. Discovering, owning, and sometimes choosing that bias like you describe is what gives us power over it to use it.

Not trying to re-rail the thread but Trump falls into the first group, he is powerless due to ignorance or denial against his own bias and the damage it does all around him. As a leader he has connected with and drawn people with similar handicaps. This is dangerous.
 
I vest a lot of my views on different people on how individuals treat one another, in spite of group size or any belief system, etc. I do fail to see how many Muslims answering a call to prayer peacefully and quietly in a UK park is oppressing Britons; England, along with other continental Christians that had the same grotesque idea, sent early Christian soldiers to the Holy Land to deal with Muslims by the sword , but never mind that, it's history. Anyway, I actually went to Youtube and treated myself to some videos of Christmas shoppers on Black Friday in America beating the crap out of each other for kitchen appliances and TVs after watching the large Muslim prayer ritual that was so calm, quiet, meditative and peaceful, and frankly --right there my brain kind of broke.

I don't follow any religion (remember, I worship trees and cats, though not necessarily cats in trees), even the Buddhists can't have me because they have their own bickering and squabbles. I will honor and respect others beliefs when they adhere to the one tenet EVERY religious doctrine has had in one form or another: "Do unto others as you would have done unto you." "Show kindness." Even indigenous peoples have this kind of teaching within their moral codes and belief systems.

So, for those of you who are able to see an individual stripped of any dogma or bias or, as the late Marshall Rosenberg who founded a school of peaceful communication would say, not seeing only enemies in your exchange with others, I will share a video slideshow I created (practicing to do similar things for small businesses like the ones you might run, gentle lads and lasses--or in the case of @FreeFallin, whichever one you feel like on a given day! HA! I do like your chicken, by the way.)

A few notes for you to decide if you want to watch: this is a visual story of a Syrian in Aleppo who has already been much admired in other stories and videos for his determination to live under siege for 6 years to care for abandoned cats and dogs and other animals when others fled Assad's bombs. This "Cat Man of Aleppo" also has volunteered as an ambulance driver and rescue worker for Syria Charity, a Paris-based nonprofit. The story of all the cats (which, sadly, half of the 150+ cats and kittens were lost in a suspected chlorine bombing in November) that Mohammad Alaa Aljaleel had provided food and sanctuary has been the main focus, but he also has rescued children and adults, provided a playground for local children (many orphans) to come forget the war when the bombings abated periodically, and used his pre-war skills as an electrician to help get people basic running water and electricity. In the slideshow, you also see him with elderly people: these are Syrian Christians who were too frail, old and sick to leave Aleppo and were abandoned in a monastery. Alaa always ensured he visited them regularly, bringing the children to help him and to get to know their Christian neighbors, as well as food and drink. He visited an asylum to ensure those there with severe mental disorders had medicine and care. When the evacuation of Aleppo came in December, Alaa arranged for the remaining cats to have caregivers (either families leaving the city or a few who have remained behind) and as an ambulance driver, he and his colleagues escorted the sick and wounded to Idlib for Syria Charity to get care to them. He is not done. There is an Italian-based charity that is raising money for him to rebuild a new pet sanctuary that will also include a playground, a medical clinic and an orphanage. He has seen the positive effects of traumatized people when they get to cuddle with the cats and he wants to use pet therapy to help restore victims' emotional well-being.

Not asking anyone to financially support this except if you are interested and want to give from your heart. I just want to put this out there as a statement that, in the end, people can come through horrors and still not hate nor want to kill. I know there are all kinds of people of every stripe who are also just like Alaa that we never hear about (he has a better PR service, perhaps?LOL!) Alaa probably is a mediocre Muslim who isn't too rigid about practice, who takes the commitment to provide charity to those in need and to "do unto others" literally. Who knows how many other Alaas we might be able to welcome? What I have seen, I would entrust this man with my life--don't care what his nationality or religious practice is. He only is angry with those who choose to kill for power, Assad, the Russians, the Hezbollah, the Islamic State adherents, extremists who break a lot of the Islamic covenants. He is a Muslim and an Arab, but he is not "them". He gives many of us hope for our world. See if you might agree. No need to say anything, just mull it over inside of you and quietly make your choice. You see, no one needs to answer to me or anybody about what they feel inside. You own that. I own mine. We can still live in peace, too.

[Warning: I do include some brief images of carnage in Aleppo]


This cat man was hit with barrel bombs a few weeks ago and most of his pets were killed. Another lesson on the futility of love and compassion in war.
 
Jefferson tried that first.... so have we. Their answer has not changed, neither should our response to their violence against us.
Agreed to a point, I'm no pacifist myself. All the power play going on in Syria is certainly a train wreck as is many other parts of the Middle East. My point is to seperate military intervention from that of all the good people caught in the middle and those fleeing to find a better life. However, I also have no good solution to the rotten SOBs fleeing or hiding amongst the good folks. Certainly a complex issue but is the solution blocking borders or even internment as a few have suggested?
 
Suggested reading for NorCal, Druid, freefall, Evo, jd, Levi and oroborus

The first two are by the Somali born author Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a reforming voice in Islam. The third is by Ed Husain a former Islamic extremist, now a reforming voice within Islam. The fourth is by The Times journalist Melanie Philips, describing how the British State inadvertently helped Islamic extremism grow in the UK. The final book is by Douglas Murray editor of The Spectator, in it he describes the resistance to criticising Islam or Islamism and why this strange phenomenon exists.

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As the videos TC posted illustrate, its not just Syria, the stated objective is to take over the world via birthrate, then culturally, then politically. Violence does wonders to reduce the birth rate of target nations as well.

Aside from Jefferson's approach, It is a solvable problem, at least from my perspective. Simply don't let them in your country until they learn to behave/coexist. I don't see why we would even want that "culture" in the US. What does it contribute? Does it make any place better? Cutting off all humanitarian aid would also work well. Hard to find time to plot against the infidels when you are struggling to feed yourself.
 
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I've held my tongue on the direction this thread is heading. It is clear what we have here: an ultranationalist using, in his words, 'facile' examples of how the other, which in his case is Black Muslims, is corroding and threatening his identity, degrading his civilization, his 'national spirit', and his culture.

To make it simple - he is a white supremacist. As a matter of fact, he is really pussyfooting around saying what he wants to say and for whatever reason dislikes the fact that he is a racist.

His true thoughts and emotions start to show when he dismisses Druid and Frefallin as demented bag ladies - so I can now label him a white supremacist and misogynist.

I'll also just dismiss him from here on out - we did not align with Hitler during the WWII, and I will not align with a similar ethos now.




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This was really rude
 
Perhaps not Jack.

An excellent grasp of the King's English doesn't entitle one to lecture and scold those with opposing viewpoints. At no time was there any thought of compromising and discussion. Just "No, all of you are blubbering fools, the end is nigh, its all your fault, etc."

NorCal could have perhaps responded more elequently...but I'm the guy who makes off color comments about everything....

His response was perhaps a very direct way of addressing a viewpoint that he finds overly nationalist and perhaps autocratic.

Since the conversation HAS shifted away from a discussion to that of Us vs Them on both sides, who really gives a rip at this point. Might as well have an NPR reporter debate a Fox News talking head in Darfur at high noon on pay per view. Watch for the glorious spectacle of carnage. Ugh.
 
So he's a white supremacist, ultranationalist, racist, misogynist who aligns with hitler because he called them bag ladies and disagrees with the majority of people here argueing about Muslim influence in the world?
 
Yep. It's a sick sad world. Feelings get hurt.
So you agree if trump wants to be extremely cautious about who gets let in the country, that's valid because it shouldn't matter that other peoples feelings will get hurt?
 

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