Fu*%face Von Clownstick

treegongfu said:
I think you need to! Or get some sort of elemental understanding of logic.

It is going to snow one day.
It has been three days and it hasn't snowed you are a liar.

Does this really need explaining?

First of all without specifying a time frame this statement can never be wrong.

Secondly, when making predictions about the future it is clearly a guess and allows for error as the outcome is unknown and this not a lie: just wrong.
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My case is solid, but for good measure throw in the Bob Woodard interviews when Trump admitted to be true what he said falsely in those many video clips. He said he knew it would be bad, then said it would go away, thats a lie. Checked it out in Websters.
HigherGroundArborist said:
Third time, you are only stating a broad sweeping opinion. I’m asking for 1 lie that you believe to be true. Just one.
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Really, for the 20th time. Trump said the pandemic would go away on video many times, it didnt.
 
I like the golfing videos.

I looked at some of the Washington Post lies count.

None of the ones I looked at were actual lies.

Owscott, I'm sorry my attempt at demonstrating logic failed when you got confused about one day... and 3 days. Not sure how to proceed. May I diagnose a prescription of humility and empathy.
 
Or to look at it another way HG, can you name a time Trump ever lied?

I can name a ton, but to start, in the first couple weeks, there was:

1. He lied about having the largest inauguration crowd ever right off the bat with cropped and altered photos photos and communication blitz

2. If it wasn't for 3-5 million illegal votes, he would have beat HC in the popular vote.

3. His election was the biggest electoral college landslide ever.
 
The birther thing. Did Trump know what he was saying was untrue? I don't think we know that? Was it untrue? Did Obama eventually provide a birth certificate? (I think he did.)

So Trump was wrong.

If Trump didn't believe it himself but kept saying it anyway he still hasn't been proven to be lying.

There is one more ingredientvrequired
 
treegongfu said:
The birther thing. Did Trump know what he was saying was untrue? I don't think we know that? Was it untrue? Did Obama eventually provide a birth certificate? (I think he did.)

So Trump was wrong.

If Trump didn't believe it himself but kept saying it anyway he still hasn't been proven to be lying.

There is one more ingredientvrequired
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Really?
 
Yes sorry. Premature post.

He needs to be attempting to get other people to believe the false statement. If he is using it to only accentuate the otherness of Obama. I think it isn't a lie just a dirty political trick.
 
How about the big 1. Trump lied that he won the election.
treegongfu said:
I like the golfing videos.

I looked at some of the Washington Post lies count.

None of the ones I looked at were actual lies.

Owscott, I'm sorry my attempt at demonstrating logic failed when you got confused about one day... and 3 days. Not sure how to proceed. May I diagnose a prescription of humility and empathy.
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Niffty little mind puzzle, cheers. My response was not clear, i will contemplate and re engage on that tid bit. Although I did present the fact that he did mention time frame more than once. I am guessing this will land at your comprimise of he was just wrong. Although take into account what he said in the Woodard interview then making many contradicting statements after that he knew werent true constituts lying.
 
Tom Dunlap said:
How can you accept that as a marker of a person with integrity?
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Fifth time

My question isn't about one of the 30k lies. Its about how YOU accept the integrity of a liar.

WHen the time comes I will be the one to ask you to explain one of the lies he's told and retold.

So...back to the question...

How can you accept that as a marker of a person with integrity?

PS..please delete your last post. It has nothing to do with our conversation. If it times out I'll delete it to keep you on track.
 
Tom, I would accept most sources but would still scrutinize their claims.

The Washington post's list, doesn't withstand a casual glance.

They may have found some lies but most of it is bullshit.
 
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Tom Dunlap said:
Fifth time

My question isn't about one of the 30k lies. Its about how YOU accept the integrity of a liar.

WHen the time comes I will be the one to ask you to explain one of the lies he's told and retold.

So...back to the question...

How can you accept that as a marker of a person with integrity?

PS..please delete your last post. It has nothing to do with our conversation. If it times out I'll delete it to keep you on track.
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Tom, Trump has not lied 30k times. Therefore I accept him as a person of integrity. He said he would build a wall at the boarder, he built one. He said he would cut taxes, taxes were cut. He said he would reduce government regulations, he reduced them. Must I go on???
Why must I delete a post that lists facts about a supposed lie Trump told when that’s exactly what we’re talking about?
 
Not sure about the Woodward but wouldn't trust him at all.

Yes he was wrong but unless you believed him to be a soothsayer he wasn't lying.

He also had to manage panic and the economy.

It is imperative that I answer Tom's questions. I think i have.

I think, I would have a hard time defending Trumps integrity.

Maybe, relative integrity, then you wouldn't have to prove he never did anything wrong only that he acted with greater integrity than the scoundrels who preceeded him and are following him.
 
Tom Dunlap said:
Only about 5k here, up to 5/19:

projects.thestar.com

Every false claim Donald Trump has made as president

U.S. President Donald Trump has proven uniquely willing to lie, exaggerate and mislead. Here is the Star's list of all his false claims.
projects.thestar.com projects.thestar.com

How does this list of lies give you confidence in his integrity?
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Once again, another list that says, “Trump lied, here’s the facts.” but they have no legitimate source that backs up their so called “factual claims” they are simply stating their opinion.
I’m bowing out, I’ve got to go to bed.
 
1st - By posting Newsmax, you unwittingly proved the WAPO check true. The Newsmax sites sources where the economy hasn't been this good since...1999 and the 50s and 60s. So in fact, it isn't the best economy ever. He hasn't created the most jobs. It wasn't the lowest unemployment rate. It isn't the best stock market ever. Did good things happen? Absolutely - but why lie about the truth and the scope? Instead he gets grandiose (ok, pay yourself on the back) then takes it to delusion land.

2nd - the WAPO cites all verifiable facts. Facts taken from Trump's own economic reports. Just look it up. News stories and reports aren't academic papers that need to have APA cited sources, especially when it is common knowledge and easily verifiable through public record.

3rd - if Obama's first 2 years in office (financial collapse under Bush) are going to be his only frame of reference, as Newsmax cites, to his 8 years in office, then Trump's last year will forever overshadow his 4. We lost the most GDP since 1946, unemployment shrank the most since 2009, and minority unemployment is worse than when Trump took office

4th - The idea that because you didn't experience it means it isn't true? I've never been to space, but I'm certain the earth is round. I wasn't around during World War II, but I know Hitler was a terrible human.

I believe it is the best economy you have experienced, however. All the rest is also true and Trump has lied and also lost the economy.
 
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