DRT

Thanks. So, I haven't tried two bridges only because something tells me they will vector and try to orient my saddle in line with the V when I may want to be perpendicular to it. Does that make sense? I've been on one bridge and swivel so I can face any way I want to. Help me understand if I'm way off base.
 
treebing said:
You just have one swivel and attach both to the one swivel?
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Yes. Luckily the Bone allows that pretty easily, but so does the RR and RW. If you use an HMS style carabiner with a spacer you can have both oriented the same, but I normally have 2 ovals in the same eye, one for each system so I can stay tied in with one while the other comes out.
 
My finding is that I want some separation between the two systems. That way I can work between the two. I found when I used one swivel I got a lot of clashing. Maybe I'll give it another shot with the one bridge.
 
treebing said:
My finding is that I want some separation between the two systems. That way I can work between the two. I found when I used one swivel I got a lot of clashing. Maybe I'll give it another shot with the one bridge.
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I guess it is a trade-off. With two bridges I feel that you would get pulled in that direction you may not want to at times.

I'm going to have to try to bridges and post again later.
 
I need to get those big rock o swivels you got. My swivels are not taking two caribiners smoothly. My dmm is no good because it doesn't allow me to pass the gate. The rock O I got has that taper going on so it acts weird with two biners. Your swivel is def the ticket.
 
I think my philosophy is to just split me in in half. I approach both sides left side and right side as two different functional entities that combined can work better together. Gemini climbing. I have a rope and system for the left side and a rope and system for the right side. What would be sweet is if I could cut two branches at once.
 
treebing said:
I think my philosophy is to just split me in in half. I approach both sides left side and right side as two different functional entities that combined can work better together. Gemini climbing. I have a rope and system for the left side and a rope and system for the right side. What would be sweet is if I could cut two branches at once.
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Ambidextro/Symmetro Arborosity. I get it. I'm working on a system and sort of waiting for parts to come my way. Every time I climb DSRT I wish I had the set up that's in my head. Should be soon. I'm not sure about flips, but everything else should be sweet.

I'll say again that I think the Rock Rotator L is about the best thing going for me in DSRT, and otherwise. You can stil use the bottom eye like a ring if you want. I'm digging the options that tool gives.
 
oceans said:
Ambidextro/Symmetro Arborosity. I get it
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Not favoring one side more than the other in movement and equally useing them both well. Our body is the tool controlled by and only limited by our most important tool our mind. I've been getting made fun of by my coworker for two ropes and two , well my two in one lanyard. After use though I'm not sure who will have the last laugh. He says I used to be so much faster in the tree. I blow that off with a grin. Now I'm just focusing on safer and the work still gets done. Speed and comfort are not always good partners ,but can exist through patience and practice . That's duel rope to me right now some patience and practice . Like you oceans if I could follow through with making my set up on my bridges a reality I may increase what I can do with two separate rope systems 1:1. The rw and bdb make a swell pair for me. Its what I have and unless I step in shit that's what I'll be working with for now. Enjoying the new found differences and what I'm experiencing in this way. Enjoying listening to more better than good people shed some light in the dark of it as well.
 
John_KAYS said:
I'm confused - using a second line as your second tip doesn't sound as safe as using a lanyard. Why? Because the lines both come off your bridge and are still pretty much one rope as they head off up into the tree (as they are so close together). If your saw were to hit one chances are it could very well hit the other. Whereas, the lanyard is usually down laterally from your climbing line - different planes shall we say. To hit them both would take some doing and you'd probably have other problems to deal with.

I hadn't been paying close attention to this thread, so I don't know if what I said means anything to you...but it was just my thought.

Two lines definitely have their place in an arborist's box of tools, but to use it on every tree for every circumstance - I wouldn't sign onto just yet. But that's me. You have the right to do what you feel works best for you, and what keeps you alive and well.
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I was literally just thinking pretty much everything you just said.
 
JontreeHI said:
Has anyone tried dsrt with no rope wrench etc, just ropes and hitches? Is the load shared enough do you think between the lines? Just thinking, but maybe this has been covered already
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Your saying the weight of the climber divided on two lines may negate the need for supplementary friction control for the the hitch , so it doesn't lock up ? If that's what your getting at , I wouldnt think so . Lots of times for me anyway I've transferred my weight to one line or the other , enough that my 200 lbs would surely lock up a hitch tighter than frogs a-hole. Ok maybe not that bad , but not good and efficient I wouldn't think. Need some sort of friction moderation for the hitch in my eyes. Or a mechanical.
 
Just thinking that all it takes is a little bit of added friction to make hitch run on a single line. But I guess dsrt there is maybe a lot of fully loading one line while the other is auxiliary, but still might be worth trying sometime.
 
ive messed around DSRT and ill be honest i had a hard time planning out what i was doing, i think i was like over thinking things. plus im still early in the SRT game.

ive been doing a lot more pruning the ever, which requires a different approach moving thru the canopy, rather than get to where i have to tie or cut something to take the biggest piece i can that makes sense.

i found that, for me, whats been the easiest way to get around quick (for me) and safe is to have a main climbing line to my bone running SRT, and have a seperate Ddrt system. when i get my next rope im going to cut one of my others to be about 70' or less as i found thats more or less all i need.
The Ddrt helps me progress out onto other long almost vertical stems, and i can set and SRT redirect at my highest point then double crotch if i want or leave the Ddrt system at the redirct i can.

sometimes i will not put my SRT line thru a redirect and just set my Ddrt system in the woud be redirect, that way if i dont have a need to go back to the redirect, i can just pull my ddrt system out and return to the path of my SRT line. its like my ddrt is my "progress" line and my SRT is line my return line

i want to practice with two SRT lines more but im really digging what i had going with what i just explained. just have to clean up the ddrt with a shorter line.

theres still things i really like about ddrt, so for me blending the two has been pretty effective
 
Treetopflyer said:
Your saying the weight of the climber divided on two lines may negate the need for supplementary friction control for the the hitch , so it doesn't lock up ? If that's what your getting at , I wouldnt think so . Lots of times for me anyway I've transferred my weight to one line or the other , enough that my 200 lbs would surely lock up a hitch tighter than frogs a-hole. Ok maybe not that bad , but not good and efficient I wouldn't think. Need some sort of friction moderation for the hitch in my eyes. Or a mechanical.
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The French have been climbing with two hitchs on one rope for a long time. This does allow them to climb 1:1 with just an unassisted hitch but not in quite the way that was suggested.
 
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