drop a 75' tree in a 50' LZ

Re: \"why must I always explain\" Van Morrison

ok, yeah he probably does deserve a little detention. Long as he comes back. hopefully with a new avatar.
 
Re: \"why must I always explain\" Van Morrison

You were born 6 months before I picked up my first chainsaw.. I'll keep my own advice here thank you. And I think I did a fair job of explaining that and any knowledgable faller would understand exactly what I was saying... If you can't reliably do everything mentioned there on the ground, then you need to practice and get good before trying it in the air.. Or figure out how to get a crane across the drainage field without damaging it..






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You're a funny guy.

You instantly think that it's everyone else that doesn't understand instead of thinking that maybe you are doing a bad job at explaining.

In fact, you have almost this entire collection of knowledgable Arborist second guessing your tactics but WE are the ones that are "thinking inside the box"

If "the box" consist of half of these guys that disagree with you then I'll happily stay put. I've alway been a fan of a good sausage party.

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Re: . drop a 75\' tree in a 50\' LZ

Why wouldn't you set up the hinge, plunge cut and back release then descend and have the tree pulled over with you safely away? Also why are you chasing the back cut like you are in the video and why is it sooo far below the plunge cut.
 
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Why wouldn't you set up the hinge, plunge cut and back release then descend and have the tree pulled over with you safely away? Also why are you chasing the back cut like you are in the video and why is it sooo far below the plunge cut.

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actaully, that is what I was hoping to do, though it became clear as soon as I got in the tree that it had a lot more front head lean than it looked like from the ground.. So many factors go into judging a fall like that... There was no pull on the line. It was a back up in case the tree didn't go with the snap cut. I liked my position and though it wold have been nice to make the cut and come down before calling for the pull, I was pretty sure it would go with the lean and felt safe enogh in that position.

The reason for the low back release that I hit metal when plunging the backcut. I was aiming as low as possible to make get under the metal, while not leaving so much of a step as to have it catch on the stub and casue the tips to come down early.. Thought that got mentioned here..
 
Re: . drop a 75\' tree in a 50\' LZ

Not a bad idea.. thought about a guy line for side leaners, in order to prevent the top from going the wrong way.. Certainly not needed here.. and certainly not practical... would have to go over the house.. wood shingles... no good..

Back guying... that would be a first... whatever works..
 
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Dan, I just rewatched over the video. What exactly was the point of felling it 10 feet above the ground? To spare the rhodies? The jump was impressively done I will say, but didn't the butt have to come down as well? Why not pop out the rhodies and fell that thing from the ground? Costs you 10 minutes to spare putting yourself in that position. The only thing I can figure is that you just wanted to see yourself on tape making that cut. Get over yourself before you get hurt dude.
 
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get over myself????

you make a bunch of assumptions ... very wrong assumptions...

that is not why I cut it at 10'

And I dropped the butt w/o hurting the rhodadies..
 
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Mostly I just don't have the stones. I think it works if you account for the variable and plan for the worst. Which is why it is a riskier technique than others. The potential for a screw up is not necessarily higher, just the size of the part that may screw up. If that top went backwards into the house...well you get the drift.

I think Dan you have your chit together and clearly have a lot of exp. Keep on keepin on and stay safe. The nice thing about these forums is it allows the reader to pick and choose which techniques they adopt in their work.

I like blasting a big top here and there...I just have to have absolute confidence it will work, otherwise I'm gonna cut smaller. I just hope its confidence and not complacency after your significant experience which leads you to make these choices.
 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSykVgC_9CM

Thnks Dylan, and agreeed you need to be 99.99% or higher if you are going to put your life at risk...

I wasn't originally going to post this video, because I thought it was too "outside the box" for "prime time", BUT... since the subject came up... here's how I put that 10' spar on the ground..

The notch is no more than 1" deep, just past the bark. Backcut as close to ground level as possible.. Very tight area to make the cuts... which BTW was another part of the thinking as to whether to drop this whole tree fromt he gound..

Unfortunately, its very hard to even see the notch or backcut, as the quality on you tube is so bad.. It was a fun part of the job.. Put the landing pad log in the hole where the top hit, and only had a little divet of grass to fix afterwards..
 
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Why do I have to be lucky all the time.. can't I just be good??? LOL... C'mon Rog... give some credit where credit is due..

No concern for the azalea (in flower).. the rhodie was behind and that did get saved, although the homeowner told me not to worry about it.. Why stand in the hooks and make those cuts when it wasn't needed.. Too much dust for me..

Plus, we're not set up for hauling 20" rounds.. Log loader likes the pieces in 8' or longer...
 
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I think it works if you account for the variable and plan for the worst.

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"The worst" being the fact that you could die. Plan for it? Don't put yourself in that position.


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The potential for a screw up is not necessarily higher, just the size of the part that may screw up. If that top went backwards into the house...well you get the drift.


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The stakes of the game you are playing with someone else's property (i.e their home) is pretty high. I would say unreasonably so. Not to mention the gamble on your own life. Natural selection is alive and well. Plan for it.

Clearly the crew in one of your videos had little regard for the fears of the homeowner as they whooped and yelled as the top came over. Exciting rush for you guys, but a moment of extreme stress for her.

I hope you carry a healthy liability policy. Not to mention life insurance for any dependents.
 
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Just so you know how rediculous YOU ARE.. that was all the homwowner... The wife was taking the shot with her camera and the husband standing next to her.. She yelled "oh jesus" x2, and then it was her and her husband's reaction after the fall that you are complaining about..

So check your stories to make sure they're not fantasies.. It gets annoying...
 
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So check your stories to make sure they're not fantasies.. It gets annoying...

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Clearly not a fantasy. Its there on the tape. Yeah, this is annoying.

Pay your premiums. You'll need them.
 
Re: This thread is tree-diculous

I've had HO's get nervous as I started up a stem, should I have stopped to alleviate their concern? Any time we put ourselves in a tree we are putting our lives at risk not to mention any property near our DZ's, therefore I find your argument weak and rhetorical. He at least made sure the people were out of the house. Its his show he can run it how he chooses.

I'm not playing a game and it certainly appears as though Dan isn't as well. Perhaps he needs a humbling moment SOONER than later. We all get them, its just whether we pay attention.
 
Re: This thread is tree-diculous

C'mon Cory snap out of it... there was no tree worker within 100' of the homeowner's camera.. that was the husband explaining to her about the backcut... Don't marry your story pal, 'cause its not true!
 
Re: This thread is tree-diculous

I dont know, no one has mentioned Dans... Confidence that the tree was not going to fall when he was putting the rope on. Anyone see where he was? I know two guys that walked in front of trees that were cut (for one reason or another). Both of them thought, "it wont fall", and both of them are in wheel chairs. I work around one, and the other was an extremely close friend of my family. DUMB. Is they way they put it and is the only word that discribes it. DUMB.
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All you new guys out there... Dont try that at home.
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there must be some lesson here

BUt its not about trees... its about human beings..

You make up some story and think its true.. then go call someonw who knows YOUR STORY is NOT TRUE... dumb.. lame and rediculous...

The tree had sat back and pinched the saw... no top, a house behind it, no wind.. What do you want?

Better stick to "man cuts branch.. branch falls to ground".. that seems to be your speed..
 
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