Covid Close To You

Stumpsprouts said:
230M Americans vaccinated /
18k deaths from vaccine reported through VAERS https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-cdc-covid-vaccine-deaths-910677348223

=0.000078260869565
So
0.0078260869565% deaths from vaccine yea?

3% death rate from Covid according to CDC

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covid.cdc.gov

Find some other data, that’s all I had time for, but comparing apples to apples is always helpful in making an educated choice about which is a better option.
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that's garbage.. and of little value.. there is no way covid death rates were 3% in the US... and even more crucial than overall death rate are the risk factors that lead to death... age comorbidities, obesity etc...

www.statista.com

COVID-19 deaths by age U.S. 2023| Statista

Between the beginning of January 2020 and June 14, 2023, of the 1,134,641 deaths caused by COVID-19 in the United States, around 307,169 had occurred among those aged 85 years and older.
www.statista.com www.statista.com

And the VAERS numbers aren't a good measure of the damage done by vaxxines.. A harvard study found VAERS numbers were underreported with regular vaccines. So that as few as 1% of actual damages were actually reported.

A look at all cause mortality rates after the vaxx was introduced yields much better info: https://rumble.com/v3ynskd-operation-m.o.a.r-mother-of-all-revelations.html?start=425

the numbers are staggering...


and then there is the fact that deaths from the vaxxine were under-reported in the studies... The studies counted all deaths up until 2 weeks after the second vaxx as "unvaxxed deaths". SO if the vaxx killed you the day or two after getting the shot, the death was counted as an unvaxxed death...

The problem here is a failure of communication... let the former vice president of Pfizer ecplain it to you in this short:

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Daniel said:
that's garbage.. and of little value.. there is no way covid death rates were 3% in the US... and even more crucial than overall death rate are the risk factors that lead to death... age comorbidities, obesity etc...

www.statista.com

COVID-19 deaths by age U.S. 2023| Statista

Between the beginning of January 2020 and June 14, 2023, of the 1,134,641 deaths caused by COVID-19 in the United States, around 307,169 had occurred among those aged 85 years and older.
www.statista.com www.statista.com

And the VAERS numbers aren't a good measure of the damage done by vaxxines.. A harvard study found VAERS numbers were underreported with regular vaccines. So that as few as 1% of actual damages were actually reported.

A look at all cause mortality rates after the vaxx was introduced yields much better info: https://rumble.com/v3ynskd-operation-m.o.a.r-mother-of-all-revelations.html?start=425

the numbers are staggering...


and then there is the fact that deaths from the vaxxine were under-reported in the studies... The studies counted all deaths up until 2 weeks after the second vaxx as "unvaxxed deaths". SO if the vaxx killed you the day or two after getting the shot, the death was counted as an unvaxxed death...

The problem here is a failure of communication... let the former vice president of Pfizer ecplain it to you in this short:

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So, you say Harvard info would back you up, but link to rumble.com, a site I have never heard of, instead of citing your source.

Then you link shit from Facebook, a notorious cesspool of misinformation.

And before anything, you dismiss AP as "garbage"...

What is your standard for gaging what is true? Seems like you're hearing what you wanna hear and not looking for the most objective perspective. Link your evidence directly please, or your just blowing smoke.
 
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Dr. McC is having himself a grand ol' time riding the conspiracy-theory surf. He has his own business set up to *help* people get his snake oil brew, too.

Here are some sane reviews of this fabricator's assertions.

https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/...9-falsehoods-in-september-13-2023-speech.html

& esp. this one gives a considered, thoughtful, at time point-by-point review of the charlatan's BS.

www.educatetruth.com/featured/dr-mccullough-at-the-village-seventh-day-adventist-church/

from which I'll excerpt a sizable portion --better to read a lot of good thought than many, many times the repeated lousy stuff so flagrantly circulating.

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Credentials :
Dr. Sean Pitman is a pathologist, with subspecialties in anatomic, clinical,
and hematopathology, currently working in N. California.

Below this he adds this Personal Note ::

Personal Note:​

So far, 636k people have died of COVID-19 in the US; 4.5 million worldwide – to include a dozen family friends of mine (some younger than 50). Many more have sustained long-term injuries even though they survived. This includes young, healthy SDA vegans who thought they were safe because of their excellent health and lifestyle, only to end up in the MICU for weeks with blood clots throughout their bodies.
[nb : "many more" is ambiguous --as > 636k, 4.5million (more long-Covid than dead) ; or as in "additionally there are more" !!]
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In comparison, I personally know no one who has sustained any serious or long-term injury from being vaccinated against COVID-19. The mRNA vaccines, in particular, are the cleanest and are far more effective than was ever hoped. They were extensively tested, more than most vaccines or drugs are usually tested, via double-blinded placebo-controlled trials on 70,000 human volunteers and in very successful animal trials as well. The safety profile has proven to be very high in these trials, and in the general role-out to the public as well now that hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated worldwide.
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The claim that “more time” is needed, is simply untenable at this point. The notion that something serious and unexpected may yet turn up is extremely unlikely. The mRNA technology has been around and has been extensively studied and used now for over 30 years. We know very well how it works. There is no significant mystery here. And, historically, if a negative effect for a vaccine or medication turns up, it turns up within the first few months, not multiple years or decades down the line.
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In short, the demonstrated risks of a COVID-19 infection far outweigh the known or future risks of getting an mRNA vaccine at this point.

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[here's an example of point-by-point & measured response.
He's responding to McCullough's asserted multi-treatment prevention/cure therapy (a lot like multi-guessing!) ]

The Claim:​

Dr. McCullough claims that early treatment of a COVID-19 infection is vital and that his early treatment protocol would be able to essentially prevent all hospitalizations (and I suppose all deaths as well), without the need for the “dangerous” vaccinations. Here’s the diagram of Dr. McCullough’s protocol:

Where I have problems with this “Multidrug Therapy Protocol” is with Dr. McCullough’s recommendation for drugs like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin. While there was a lot of initial hope that these drugs might work against COVID-19 infections, unfortunately, numerous subsequent scientific studies into this question haven’t shown any useful advantages for these drugs.
When asked about this strong scientific evidence that appears to effectively counter this particular aspect of his early treatment protocol, Dr. McCullough presented the amazing argument that while these drugs may not work when given alone, that they do work in combination with this overall treatment protocol. Of course, he offers no scientific evidence for this or even a suggested mechanism as to how this might be the case. He simply says that it works the way multi-drug programs work against other viral-based diseases – such as the multi-drug protocols that are used to treat HIV infections. What Dr. McCullough fails to explain here is that each individual drug in the HIV protocols has a known beneficial effect, all by itself. This is simply not true of his own early treatment protocol for COVID-19 infections.
So, at this point, it seems clear to me that Dr. McCullough is just being disingenuous in order to save face. After all, he testified early on before the US Senate promoting his early treatment protocol as a means to save the world from the pandemic we’re in – all with minimal cost and without having to worry about masks, social distancing, or vaccines. I’m sure that, after this, he feels that his personal reputation is on the line and it’s just too hard for someone with his inflated ego to admit to an error like this.
Now, it’s not that I’m against early treatment protocols. That’s not it at all. I’m very much a fan of early treatment protocols – as long as they actually work. And, even some of the parts of the protocol used by Dr. McCullough do actually work, as noted above. Other “natural” protocols also have some useful advantages
AND ...
The Claim:
Dr. McCullough claims that the “spike protein” produced by the vaccines against COVID-19 are inherently very dangerous since they were originally designed, intentionally, by scientists, as bioweapons. The vaccines cause the body to produce these very same modified spike proteins, which then spread from the site if injection throughout the entire body, wreaking havoc all over the place and resulting in organ damage, infertility, and a high death rate
Reality:
This does sound worrisome, except it doesn’t actually happen in reality. In reality, the spike proteins produced according to the coding of the DNA and mRNA vaccine sequences stay local at the site of injection. Only a tiny fraction of the spike proteins ever make it to the bloodstream and most of these are filtered out and destroyed by the liver. They do not “build up” in the adrenal glands, ovaries, lungs, heart, and brains of vaccinated people and can only be detected with the use of highly sensitive equipment. The authors of the papers cited by Dr. McCullough also disagree with his interpretation of their papers. Also, the spike proteins produced by the vaccines are modified so that they simply don’t function the way that the viral spike proteins function. They can’t fold or morph in their shape like the viral spike proteins.
Now, this isn’t to say that the vaccines against COVID-19 are without any risk whatsoever. As with any vaccine or medical treatment in general, there are always risks. However, for every serious risk that is associated with the vaccines, the very same risk is much much higher when it comes to getting infected by the COVID-19 virus. In fact, getting vaccinated offers substantial protection against numerous key adverse events that are strongly associated with a COVID-19 infection – such as anemia, acute kidney injury, intracranial hemorrhage, lymphopenia, serious blood clots throughout the body, heart damage, brain damage, and especially the risk of death.

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The weak-minded people will always follow what some whacko says is true, because it fits what they heard from another whacko. Real facts won't change their mind. Their sources are always some unknown conspiracy theorists or conmen, and they believe that stuff. They never site a reputable news source like Reuters, Associated Press, or United Press International, and will tell you news outlets like that are run by the government, where they will then point you to some backroom underground news publication written by conspiracy people like themselves as factual information.
But don't be too hard on these people. It is probably not their fault they were born with less brain power than the average person.
 
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My son's been feeling crappy for a few days, some fever. Just tested positive. How's that for close :( We've been lax with keeping up our shots, not being elderly etc. Waiting to see if it bites me and the wife in the ass too. doh.
 
Why has Sweden and others in Europe completely ended all vaccines...
Here is a well published researcher and medical expert telling you about corruption involved with covid and the vaxxines

and predicting that the next pandemic will be planned and intentionally implemented. This is worth 5 minutes of your time

Professor Angus Dalgleish, physician, oncologist, pathologist, medical researcher and author. His new book is called The Death of Science

 
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