can workers have lunchtime while driving in truck?

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Looked into it with BOLI. If the employees are in transit between jobs, they must be paid--even if they are eating their lunch. AND, they must be given a meal break apart from this time. You can occassionally have exceptions, but this is the law.

I am curious, though--and maybe YoYo can speak to this--whether industries that are based on travel (airline, rail, fishing) are the same: must employees who are "on board" be paid even if they take a meal break while they are "on board"?

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I hate it when mandates that should protect employees, limits them from making voluntary and good common sense choices that could enhance their work and life.
To answer your question, my day job is SO full of rules and regulations and as noted, it is all apples and oranges when it comes to what employees get paid and when. In our transportation environment, we generally get paid when the rotating beacon is turned on (when the plane is pushed back and the door is closed). All the time spent going from one gate to another, loading the computers with flight plans, preparing for the flight in a briefing room, briefing flight attendants etc etc etc is not directly part of our pay. That being said, on a long flight for example 10 hours there is an extra co-pilot or sometimes a second crew. I sleep for 3 hours of that flight and yes, get paid. We call it "dozing for dollars".
So I find it disappointing when an employee can't make a voluntary discussion that does not impact safety and spend that 30-45 minutes with his family.
I also find if very admirable that as an employer you consider these things. (I'd work for you anytime) Probably put my sky-chair in the tree for lunch though.
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Are all flight personnel paid likewise, or only the pilots?

Richard we would hire you right away. I always tell the guys that the best climbers are like pilots--calm and rational under pressure.

BTW, you can agree with the employees to have no lunches--or, in our case, paid lunches in transit--and you can even agree to shorter lunches with their approval. These are things that we do and it does mitigate against the inflexible dogmatism of a meal break mandate.

It is important, however, to have the form signed by the employee in addition to a verbal agreement--and this I did not know. In the state of Oregon this form is called "Request and Agreement to Waive Meal Periods" and must be signed by both the employer representative and the employee. It goes in the employees file and does not need to be filed with the state.



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Are all flight personnel paid likewise, or only the pilots?

Richard we would hire you right away. I always tell the guys that the best climbers are like pilots--calm and rational under pressure.

BTW, you can agree with the employees to have no lunches--or, in our case, paid lunches in transit--and you can even agree to shorter lunches with their approval. These are things that we do and it does mitigate against the inflexible dogmatism of a meal break mandate.

It is important, however, to have the form signed by the employee in addition to a verbal agreement--and this I did not know. In the state of Oregon this form is called "Request and Agreement to Waive Meal Periods" and must be signed by both the employer representative and the employee. It goes in the employees file and does not need to be filed with the state.



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Good to know that we still live in a free world. Even if you folks on Portland are weird. (Keep Portland Weird)

Most flight personnel have a similar pay agreement but of course it varies by agreements and regulations.

I will say that guys like you that run a business or those here that manage a crew have to keep things in balance and sometimes that means protection us from ourselves. I suspect the guys here are part of that group, push too hard, work too hard, skip the meal, not enough rest, don't take a needed break, heat exhaustion etc. etc. and generally do things you would never require anyone else to do. It is all part of that stepping back and taking a look at yourself and think about what you are doing.
I try but can't say I'm good at pulling my own reins either.
 
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Take care of the men and the men will take care of you. Fresh cold water daily, paid if expected to work through lunch. Lunch in the crummy, should be paid double time.

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Yes, Goose, its the truth. A nice 2nd entry. Thanks for your contribution.
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Take care of the men and the men will take care of you. Fresh cold water daily, paid if expected to work through lunch. Lunch in the crummy, should be paid double time.

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Yes, Goose, its the truth. A nice 2nd entry. Thanks for your contribution.
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Thank you. Not to derail but you don't look to be very far from Yam Hill. I bought a truck from a logging outfit out that way and had it shipped to NJ about 5 years ago.
 
I'm of the opinion that lunch should be paid and that breaks should be encouraged. A tired hungry worker is not going to be as productive as someone who is well fed, hydrated, and rested. Now if only I could dictate what kind of food and beverages are consumed by my coworkers... Garbage in, garbage out.
 
I hate the mandatory lunch, used to be able to work straight though the day and get home early. We wouldn't do it everyday but if we were on a roll it just made since to keep working.
 
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I'm of the opinion that lunch should be paid and that breaks should be encouraged.

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Serious?

Worker = $25/hr
Payroll overhead = 25%
Employer payroll cost = $31.25
Working days per year = 175
Lunch+breaks per day = 1hr
Lunch+breaks hours/year = 175
Cost = $5468.75

Small co. (3 staff) = $16,406.25/annum
Med co. (12 staff) = $65,625.00/annum
Lg. co. (144 staff) = $787,500.00/annum
 
Staying hydrated and maintaining a safe/healthy work place is important. I tell anybody and everybody that works for me to bring some granola bars, extra drinks IF they don't like the ones I provide and take a bite or swig on the run if its what's needed to maintain a healthy work pace. I know for a fact that I shut down when I'm hungry so I carry energy bars in case I need quick fuel. That doesn't mean I would ever tolerate a worker taking 15 minutes every hour and turning the air on in the truck to cool down. Our line of work is quite vigorous, you can start walking if you can't hang with the crew.

I have another take on the crew's idle time while driving. Pack some books or paperwork to educate yourself. Youngbuck, start reading on getting your CDL instead of checking in on FB. Ground crew, read up on some knot tying and practice up so the climber isn't cussing you out when you can't tie a simple bowline. Climber, read up on first aid, OSHA 30, advanced climbing techniques that can elevate your game. There is plenty to do with this down time as contrary to popular belief, we really don't know it all.

Breaking for lunch? Its a very good idea dispute what any of you think. Itggives the guys time to cool down, very essential in the heat of the summer. Work a crew into the ground, 10 hour days, 6 days a week, break on the fly, they will be at each other's throats. A half hour lunch lets them unwind, talk about life's issues and realize that they are all human and in the same boat. A tough lead that runs the crew hard or a climber that barks and yells all day will wear the crew thin. The lunch time chatter will cut the stress levels and lead to a more efficient crew. There are many times that I press through lunch for various reasons, mostly because I rather finish than come down, eat, and go back up in a tree for 45 minutes work. In these instances, I will pay the men through lunch and give them a paid lunch when the time warrents. On a job well done, the crew will get pizza, they deserve it.

I know from years of expierence, happy workers are productive workers. When a boss comes down on the men, the first thing that happens is theen spend 20 minutes the first chance bit#@ing about the boss, money down the drain due to non productivity. They then proceed to drag their feet all day because of the teaming they got. Happy men will double the work of a pissed off crew, take that to the bank.
 
Fresh, Cool water?...lunch breaks?...if you guys keep pampering your crews like that, next thing you know they will be asking for a raise.

Possibly noteworthy:

I got into sport bike racing for a bit and at track days, they would always mention that statistically, the session immediately following lunch was the most dangerous...extra blood going to your stomach to process food and maybe lost focus.
When I first started in arboriculture, I worked with a company that would go to a Pizza buffet on lunch break. I remember being ready to take a nap after. I think Cafferky is on to something. Encouraging your crew to eat healthy can be a (small) step toward safety.

...back on track--Paid lunch in rotation keeps the work going Paid lunch as a team can increase morale. I never take my guys off the clock. They earn every penny.
 
i dont get paid lunches, but some days if we have multiple jobs we eat on the fly. or if its a lot to get done and we dont want to feel like we're playing catch up all day, we dont really take breaks or lunch, just eat something quick, keep up on fluids and work on. on these days we are not discouraged from writing "No lunch" on our time card, and we're compensated for the time.

i like having the option. some days we need the break others we dont. i wouldnt like if my employer said i wont deduct time for lunch but you cant ever take a lunch break.

and since i quit smoking butts (still miss it!) i dont really like sitting around too long anyways...
 
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I'm of the opinion that lunch should be paid and that breaks should be encouraged.

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Serious?

Worker = $25/hr
Payroll overhead = 25%
Employer payroll cost = $31.25
Working days per year = 175
Lunch+breaks per day = 1hr
Lunch+breaks hours/year = 175
Cost = $5468.75

Small co. (3 staff) = $16,406.25/annum
Med co. (12 staff) = $65,625.00/annum
Lg. co. (144 staff) = $787,500.00/annum

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Its frightening when you start adding up costs like that, everytime we figure out what something costs the company we end up asking ourselfs how we even stay in business
 
But Dave, it's the cost of doing business. Look around at all the successful businesses that have this built into their cost structures. Build your business with this in mind, whether it's lunch, breaks, stat holidays, paid vacations, PPE, etc... Not unlike figuring the cost of fuel for your equipment into your costs.
 
Humper,
I understand all of that, my point was how fast seemingly trivial costs add up when you have more then a couple employees. Its a delicate balance. You need to be aware of all the costs that affect your business but not drive Your employees and yourself insane trying to control every single cost.
 
True in all respects. It's often how an owner gets started but then can't seem to move away from that model. I've worked for a few like that in the past. "Pennywise, pound foolish".
 
We just went through this. By law you have to allow them to eat lunch it is an unpaid 1/2 hour. If they want to work through lunch they have to sign off saying they opted out of taking their lunch. You cannot make them work through lunch. It is a labor law violation and you can be fined. If they decide to work through they must sign off that they opted out of lunch. Signing off prevents anyone from going to the labor board. Again- you can't make them sign off they have to do it of their own accord. The document also protects you in a labor law audit. I believe this is a federal labor law not just on the state level, but I could be wrong. We hired a hr firm to go through all our company policies, handbook etc. this was one thing they brought to our attention. I would recommend you biz owners hire an hr firm to audit you. It was well worth the $1200 we paid. One more thing that helps you sleep easier at night.
 

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