Arbpro Clip'N vs. HAAS 2.0

Thank you very much, Reg. Means a lot coming from someone that has contributed as much as you have. Cheers!
I didn't watch it sooner because the title didn't catch my eye so much. Then someone posted it on Arbtalk as 'the best SRT vid ever'. And so I watched it.

I look forward to seeing more your stuff develop. Keep at it mate.
 
thats pretty cool. when I first started playing with the concept, one of the things I did was the webbing actually with a stiffener in it much like that. What I found was they don't move as fast as the tubing design, and there are more frequent missed steps. but you are right the trade off is folds up into almost nothing. but with the new design there is almost nothing to fold anyway.
In testing, the bungie also wore out faster because of the constant contact in the channel. the HAAS the way it is, the bungie is nearly never in need of replacing because of the very limited contact. a while back one of the guys from Germany also copied the concept and used webbing and a stiffener. I cannot remember who it was though.

as far as the arbpro boots go, they are great. I was working in a down pour today, and the only things dry at the end of the day were my feet. I love them. they work well with spikes, they are really sticky in the tree, seem to wear well, and really comfy. there is nothing I would change about them. maybe make a chainsaw pair. but that is it. really a nice pair of boots thus far.
 
you know I may be able to to, and I have had offers to have the the manufacturing taken over seas, but to be honest. Two things come into play if I do that on top of the issues above. First its a labor of love, and I have developed tools to make it doable, I like knowing every time I finish one its hopefully going to go making someones live just a bit easier, maybe let them keep a bit more energy so at the end of the day they can play with their kids, or do what ever hobbies they have. and second I feel its a better quality product. At this time I have a lot of them out there, and I do not see them coming back for repairs. I offer a very very reasonable rebuild on my site www.haastreegear.com, and they simply do not come back. This was a huge surprise to me. Not that I was hoping they would, but even when I offered the free conversion from the original design which was a huge monstrosity, I don't think I rebuilt 10 of them.
I have made changes to the product over the last year to make it stronger, better and smaller, and I will continue to do so.
 
...and I have developed tools to make it doable, ...

Cool! Not to take anything away from this new boot/HASS combo but I like the adjustable foot loop version. It means that no matter what boot I choose for the day's work I will still have the option to use the HASS.
 
thats pretty cool. when I first started playing with the concept, one of the things I did was the webbing actually with a stiffener in it much like that. What I found was they don't move as fast as the tubing design, and there are more frequent missed steps. but you are right the trade off is folds up into almost nothing. but with the new design there is almost nothing to fold anyway.
In testing, the bungie also wore out faster because of the constant contact in the channel. the HAAS the way it is, the bungie is nearly never in need of replacing because of the very limited contact. a while back one of the guys from Germany also copied the concept and used webbing and a stiffener. I cannot remember who it was though.

as far as the arbpro boots go, they are great. I was working in a down pour today, and the only things dry at the end of the day were my feet. I love them. they work well with spikes, they are really sticky in the tree, seem to wear well, and really comfy. there is nothing I would change about them. maybe make a chainsaw pair. but that is it. really a nice pair of boots thus far.

Hey tree hive with the arb pros are you talking the new versions? I am wanting to get the new pair and was wondering how everyone has liked them now they have been out for awhile. I like hearing how versatile they are with spikes, pruning and being waterproof. I have a hillbilly haas so I might not use the loops right away but the boot looks great and seems everyone loves them. Any feedback from you all would be great!! Especially Mr. Oceans!!
 
Soopah K! Bostonian for SuperK. Cheers, man! I'm linking how these are holding up. I've worn them about every day since the first week of June.

~ I wear Smartwool snowboard/ski socks through the entire year. I don't have a single issue with funk in the foot, unless the music is right.
~ My Clip'N boots don't seem as resistant to water as my Evo boots, but the only time it was an issue was when my feet were totally submerged on a job with a high water table where we were clearing a few small trees and dragging them to the chipper. I haven't had a chance to wear them in Winter, so we'll see how that works out in the coming months.
~ The eyelets are holding up so far. I've seen them pop on Evo boots, and I'm not too sure what may be different between these and the Evos, but so far so good.
~ You'll find the Clip'N version is more supple than the Evos, yet still provide plenty of support for what we do.
~ The soles are showing normal wear, which is good. I've made it a point to wear these everywhere I go to see how long they last. Walking around cities or hardscape, hiking, etc... they are wearing, for sure, but the soles are soft and the wear they show is to be expected. The treads are closing in on being flat in certain areas, but still show the full pattern all around. I'd like to see a pattern more like that on the Evo, but I don't really have a solid reason why. These grip well, and they feel fine in spurs. I wear Axess Climbers, for what it's worth.
~ The Clip'N webbing has been bomb-proof so far. I'll admit that I did a couple things to facilitate easier connections. Each boot has 2 straps in an X pattern, and in order to keep them together, I ran four passes with needle and thread at the center of the X. This prevents you from only catching one web.
~ I also found slight interference where the laces come out and run by the webbing. To improve this, I carefully ran a hot wire (eyelet diameter) through the eyelets in the places where it would hit webbing. This is only four eyelets on each boot. Now, the laces come through the eyelets AND the webbing as they are threaded into the boot, so when you tighten them, everything stays aligned. The webs on my boots look more like one fat web and they sit super wide open for reliable connection. If you can make toast, you can do this with your boot. It's really easy and worth the effort.
~ I dig the lace-to-toe style, and they wrap right up nicely with my feet.
~ The wrap around rand is hanging in there and there doesn't seem to be any glue issue in that area.
~ I also like the profile around the heel. My Pantin fits right on there snug and doesn't move around or cause discomfort. It takes a slight bit of effort to snug it up over the back of my heel, but once it's in place and cinched up it's locked right in and aligned nicely for good rope travel.
~ The HAAS Clip is perfectly built in length, and Michael has a very close eye for detail and build quality. The eye is formed in perfect orientation so that when it's connected to the boot, the ascender is perfectly aligned for best operation. You just have to choose which way you want the carabiner to install. I like the gate facing my leg, not my toes. This may sound like a little detail, but it's important for maximum stride, and Michael got it right.
~ I find that it's most comfortable to point my toes slightly downward while ascending with these on. It focuses some of the pressure to my narrower instep rather than the wider ball of my foot.

I showed my boots to Alessandro of Arbpro and we went over them carefully. He liked the subtle mods I did with the webbing and will be incorporating something similar. He found a few other ways to improve the overall build and showed me some other changes that have already been made since the first production run. They are coming with a better lining on the interior for better breathability, but as I stated earlier, I haven't found any issues. When I held a pair of the current model, they somehow seemed a bit more robust, but maybe it's just because they were new.

So far, the only thing I would ask for is a sole that lasts longer, or is just thicker for a bit more wear life, as the soles are the only part of the boot that really show any wear. If you want them to last longer, you could just allocate them to climbing only and use something else for knocking around.
 
Wow thanks Eric! I like the intro for soopa k lol, that's all I wanted to hear right there....if you were to say which one lasted longer and is more versatile without thinking of the clip system which one would you recommend? I know I know just buy them but I just want to get as much info as I can lol. Thanks!!!
 
...~ I find that it's most comfortable to point my toes slightly downward while ascending with these on. It focuses some of the pressure to my narrower instep rather than the wider ball of my foot....

Thanks!

This clears up one question I had. I like the foot loop on my ascenders well back into my instep and from the photos, I wondered if the straps were farther forward at the ball of the foot.

Positioned more like a bicycle pedal. Not a deal breaker but something to get used to for me.
 
Wow thanks Eric! I like the intro for soopa k lol, that's all I wanted to hear right there....if you were to say which one lasted longer and is more versatile without thinking of the clip system which one would you recommend? I know I know just buy them but I just want to get as much info as I can lol. Thanks!!!
I'd base it on what you're most likely to face in the field. I climb and prune so often that I go to these boots over the Evos. When I first got them, I thought more about what was best for the work of the day, but then I made it a point to grab them no matter what to see how they held up. After a while, I just started to reach for them without a thought, but again (broken record), they just happen to be perfect for what I do most of the time. If you have more of a mixed bag, and water proofing is more important, you may want to choose the Evo model instead. There's nothing wrong with the original footloop HAAS at all. I'm fortunate to have the choice.

Don't forget that the Evos went through some trials before becoming a staple for a lot of guys. I can imagine the Clip'N will follow a similar route before they're fully accepted. Maybe you give Arbpro another year before pulling the trigger on the Clip'N and go with the Evo for now...but all those lights you install and then remove from your champion trees?!?!...You may have a tougher choice than I can imagine.;)
 
Thanks!

This clears up one question I had. I like the foot loop on my ascenders well back into my instep and from the photos, I wondered if the straps were farther forward at the ball of the foot.

Positioned more like a bicycle pedal. Not a deal breaker but something to get used to for me.
It is true that the very first steps you take in these might give you a double take. I'm so used to how they feel now that it's nothing at all, and the payoff is nice IMO. I really like the slightly more compact HAAS 2.0 and the almost silly ease of connect/disconnect.
 
Funny, I emailed Oceans about this a couple of weeks ago, and asked for his preference of the two. He was no help cause he likes 'em both ;)

I decided on Evos, but there were no 10.5's in stock. Impatient as I am, I got the Clip N's. They're a little red for my liking but they feel great (got the Georgia Amp inserts-nice). Very well made IMO. The attachment point works great, and my kids love my red "special shoes" (<---- use forrest gump voice) :)
 
Evo's are no comparison to the clip N climbs....clip's have better cushioning and a better grip...way more comfy and they are taller....if that is a plus...the webbing for clip does need to be stitched to keep them open...use a ange S biner on the HAAS 2.0 and they clip in sweet...I too like the biner facing into my leg...clipped in that way...boots are good....I like red...makes me look even sexier..:descansando:......
 
Funny, I emailed Oceans about this a couple of weeks ago, and asked for his preference of the two. He was no help cause he likes 'em both ;)

I decided on Evos, but there were no 10.5's in stock. Impatient as I am, I got the Clip N's. They're a little red for my liking but they feel great (got the Georgia Amp inserts-nice). Very well made IMO. The attachment point works great, and my kids love my red "special shoes" (<---- use forrest gump voice) :)
Once everyone starts looking at you like the super hero tree man that you are, the red will feel like an asset, Will. Tough to say that either boot is better, just that one is more specialized.. Arbpro probably made a good decision to keep the designs different even beyond one having a Clip and the other not. Keeps you wanting BOTH!
 
Evo's are no comparison to the clip N climbs....clip's have better cushioning and a better grip...way more comfy and they are taller....if that is a plus...the webbing for clip does need to be stitched to keep them open...use a ange S biner on the HAAS 2.0 and they clip in sweet...I too like the biner facing into my leg...clipped in that way...boots are good....I like red...makes me look even sexier..:descansando:......
Paul, you better wear those boots right up to the next TCI Expo.
 

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