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Wait, if the question is why not just notch it right into the lay that's sorta obvious,
I'm pretty sure everybody here has a grasp of that.

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Apparently not everyone.. and when one person asked the question, no one here stepped in and answered it.. So what is going on here on TB? That is what I have asked myself..

There are plenty of arborists on other sites, that think the job was pretty straight-forward, no big deal drop. I AM in their camp...

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Alright, I'll step in here, because I know of only 3 prominent, knowledgeable arbo forums. TreeBuzz, Tree House, and Arbtalk. In all three I can definitely say that you are not in their so called camp. And that's because these forums are actually full of knowledgeable people who can see through your bull crap. What you call "out of the box" or even "state of the art" is actually a lot of luck combined with practices that have been around for ages. The other forums I know of are mostly full of guys like yourself, people with ego's too large for their heads and to relieve the pressure, they look to internet forums. Expect, when they turn to a forum like TB, or TH, they get reamed because those forums have members who see them for what they are, guys who get by with lots of luck and little skill.

How about you lose the skid steer and all your pulling equipment, grab a saw and some wedges, and fall trees in the lay you want them, with great precision. Then maybe, just maybe, you can begin to talk with some of the more knowledgeable people. Until then Daniel, just stay with the forums who's camp your in and stop trying to teach the more knowledgeable forums about your "advanced" felling techniques.
 
When a smart mouth know nothing "arborist in training" can post that crap here and get a pat on the back for it, it shows the level of incompetence that has been achieved here at TB..

The critical mass of ignorance has tipped the scales here. Holly ruined this site and Tom D did nothing to stop it. I watched the same thing happen at AS years ago.. A bunch of loud mouth know-nothings started talking crap and anybody with a bit of sense jumped ship..

Maybe that's why Chisholm hasn't posted in the video forum here for over a year, and barely spends any time on his own site these days.
 
Or maybe its because of fools like you who drive him and others off, because you're too hard headed to realize the error of your ways. You're so quick to judge people and say your way is the best and the only way, you can't even open your eyes to those with much more experience than you, when they try to offer advice or critique your technique, you respond in a smart tone, saying how you know it all and how they need to open their eyes to your "space age" techniques.

And yet you wonder why you don't fit in at these forums.
 
RangerDanger isn't calling himself great. I don't think I've seen him act arrogantly saying how his is so cutting edge, ever. Never heard him say that nobody is cutting trees like him, nobody.

He doesn't tout his gutter cleaning experience on his website either. Although, it would really impress upon people his amazing skills.
 
This thread has turned into a slugfest. We should ALL moderate ourselves here and put it to rest.


I can't even think of anything funny or sarcastic to say anymore... which is bad, very, very, bad.
 
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This thread has turned into a slugfest. We should ALL moderate ourselves here and put it to rest.


I can't even think of anything funny or sarcastic to say anymore... which is bad, very, very, bad.

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I agree with you on the first part, Blinky, I'm out.

As to the second, I think that I only put in my first and second pieces of sarcasm.

There has been a lot that has become apparent from this thread, that's for sure.

Everybody, have a safe work week coming up!
 
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When a smart mouth know nothing "arborist in training" can post that crap here and get a pat on the back for it, it shows the level of incompetence that has been achieved here at TB..

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What would your Yogi think of your headspace when you wrote this? Angry grizzly man space? Or "downward dog"?


SZ
 
"I went to a yoga conference recently where a yogi was commenting on the prayer "lead us from unreality to reality".. that is the essence of yoga.. the human condition has been plagued by the stories we make up about who we are and what our relationship to the world is. These stories, which we tell ourselves and which many are so attached to, are completely false, as they result from the limitations of our perceptions (5 senses) and the minute level of our experiences. Our attachment to these faslehoods is the source of all suffering, as the truth of our being is so grand .."


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When a smart mouth know nothing "arborist in training" can post that crap here and get a pat on the back for it, it shows the level of incompetence that has been achieved here at TB..

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What would your Yogi think of your headspace when you wrote this? Angry grizzly man space? Or "downward dog"?


SZ

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Neither one...

"Pic a nic basket"
 
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RangerDanger isn't calling himself great. I don't think I've seen him act arrogantly saying how his is so cutting edge, ever. Never heard him say that nobody is cutting trees like him, nobody.

He doesn't tout his gutter cleaning experience on his website either. Although, it would really impress upon people his amazing skills.

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Hey man! chicks dig gutter cleaners, specially experienced ones that teach their gutter cleaning skills to other gutter cleaning ....cleaners?
 
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ok I'll chime in here. "it was all part of the plan" why not make the face in the intended direction of the lay? once again it went sideways.

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Surprised this one went unchecked..

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It didn't go unchecked by everyone. Maybe it's difficult to understand with the poor camera documentation...

The answer is because there isn't any holding wood. The only holding wood he had was the calloused wood. He had to notch the tree inline with the lean (the opposite direction) but, he didn't want to fully pull it over in that same direction his notch was pointing. Otherwise he would have hung it up into the trees his anchored block was attached to.

So, when it was standing upright, there was a rope ready to pull it perpendicular to the normal direction of the notch... into the field. (That was the part when I was actually cringing). It literally was the climax of the short video, IMO.

Personally, since he didn't "call his shot" the actual landing zone seems like it was a contingency plan. In otherwords, it was the "Oh $*!T" plan.

So, again. I wouldn't have considered that approach if I had a bucket right there. But, better yet, I would have called the line clearance companies to create a "safe zone" first, then used a bucket to piece it out if it were necessary. Then, fall the shorter spar into the field.

And I'd only do those extra proceedures to greatly reduce risk.

Daniel, all you did was increase your risk the whole way. And that is what people are having a difficult time understanding.
 
Not a good idea to pull conventional lines at "50-60% of tensile" Of course, the forces were really unknown.....as was the forces on a couple of the anchors, which were surely very high.

As I've said before, high modulus lines are the proper tool for such extreme pulling operations, for the safety they provide, and for the fact that they are designed to be loaded to much higher percentage of tensile than regular lines, and over and over again.....but not shock loaded.

Further, why didn't you place a couple of those blocks (shackles....groan) aloft a ways, to greatly improve your line angles....
 
because the anchor tree was dead and rotting... Obviously the angle of pull was a concern.. but not a mistake. It was clear from the test pull that we had what it took to stand the tree up, even though the angle of pull was steep.

Here's a pop quiz:
anyone know what the minimun angle of a guy line should be when guying a tree to a ground anchor?

and it wasn't the whole day.. I was on the job for 2.5 hours..

there was a back up or keeper line, which was used as an auxillary pull line and safety line in case the primary pull line failed. We were able to tension and tie off one and then the other repeatedly. They were set on different ground anchors. Even if both lines failed, which would be near impossible, the ash tree would act as a backstop, as it had already.

So there was never much chance of taking out the wires, as that could only happen if the hinge, not the ropes failed. And for the wires to be in danger the hinge would have to fail early in the pull, which was not going to happen. The retainer line prevented the tree from going left into the wires. If it went right, it would clear the wires once it stood up 5-10º. No way was that hinge going to fail that early in the pull.

And it was clear that the holding wood was plenty good enough, based on the direction of pull being nearly perfect, and the way the holding wood held on the first co-dom. No one mentioned how that first tree went down,, watch it again... pretty smooth for a 85-90' locust with 35º of head lean..

And where I was standing and hand checking the pull line, I was never in danger of recoil.. maybe you couldn't tell from the camera angles, but had any line or sling failed, I was out of the bite. Look again at the skid steer too, the operator used the bucket to protect himself, leaving only a small high window of visibility.

SO there was no chance of injury, no chance of taking out the wires. This fall was 100%, cut, pull, retainer line.. Everything was tested and/or backed up. IN my mind that is safer than rigging the tree, even if done by Asplund.

DO you expect me to explain all that in my intros? I've got one coming up that I did cover all the bases in the intro, but it was a simple take down. There are just too many variables to explain on a more complex job. I AM there to get the job done, the video is just for fun.

So if you thought this was a risky or scary or lucky job.. You lacked the information (perception) or experience to understand the reality.

I do this work every day. NO big deal.. DO YOU? Or do you just read about it? If you fall into the latter category, maybe you should restrain your stupid comments and try to learn something.
 
Thanks for taking the time to explain to the peanut gallery that there was ZERO chance that ANYTHING could have gone wrong in your setup.


Obviously we all need to understand that our perceptions of reality are based in unreality.

SZ
 
I am a true fan of TB...I wouldn't be offended if i get good advice from all my fellow arborist in here. Simply throw up the white flag Dan and listen for some good advice.
TreeBuzz is a classroom for all treeworkers!
 
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